Pakistan players demand hockey World Cup boycott

i am afraid your post doesn't make much sense....

So he is embarassed that IPL ignored every single PAK player yet he is one of the owners and was in the best position to pick the players who he considers to be the best T20 players in the world.

Its rather obvious that his hands were tied.

PlanetPakistan wrote:i am afraid your post doesn't make much sense....

So he is embarassed that IPL ignored every single PAK player yet he is one of the owners and was in the best position to pick the players who he considers to be the best T20 players in the world.

Its rather obvious that his hands were tied.

Yes his hands were tied, but by the circumstances and not the government. He had 750k to spend, why would he, or anyone spend it on a Pak plaayer when -

1. they have no idea how the fans will react.
2. they have no idea if they'll be available.
3. they could do without the inevitable attention seeking, bile spouting vandalism from the right wing parties, which they'll probably have to face now for their Aussie players.
4. they could have someone as good but without factors 1,2 and 3 affecting them.

It's simple common sense. They're all going to be auctioned again next year, so why take all that stress for one year.

And again, what does the govt. have to gain from Pakistan players not playing?

PlanetPakistan wrote:I see Vikas, SG and buck haven't posted this yet


Shah Rukh Khan, the the co-owner of the Kolkata Knight Riders franchise, has spoken of the pressures the IPL franchises face in team selection, referring to the recent auction where no Pakistan player received the bid. He also referred to the demands of the Shiv Sena, a regional party, to block Australian players from the IPL.

Shah Rukh described Pakistan's exclusion from the IPL as "humiliating". "I think its actually humiliating to me as a KKR owner that this has happened," he told NDTV. "We are known to be good, we are known to invite everyone, and we should have. And if there were any issues, they should have been put out earlier so that everything could happen respectfully.

"I truly believe that they should have been chosen. As a matter of fact, I'm not going to be the one who is opposite from what everyone else is saying but I wanted Abdul Razzaq. I think it was in the newspapers much earlier than even the auction started. Dada (Sourav Ganguly) was very keen."

"I am not giving an excuse and I truly believe Pakistani players are the best T20 players in the world. They are the champions. They are wonderful. But somewhere down the line there is an issue and we cannot deny it," he said. "There is an issue, we cannot keep saying 'Oh this was wrong'. Yes maybe the way it was done was wrong, the way it is being carried out may be wrong. But you can't keep on saying Koi issue nahi hai yaar, woh aa jate (There isn't any issue, they could have come). There is an issue, let's not deny it. Every day we blame Pakistan, every day they blame us, it is an issue."

He also referred to the Shiv Sena's statements against the participation of Australian players in the IPL, as a protest over race attacks against Indian students in Australia. "There is going to be a section of people who have suddenly gotten up and have said, rightly or wrongly, ' Australians will not be allowed to play'", Shah Rukh said. "So here is a set of people who are spending up to 70, 80, 90 crore rupees on trying to win a tournament and suddenly, even if you say this much to me, I'm like 'Uh-oh, so should I take or shouldn't I take him?'

"So tomorrow, if we had known this, maybe even the Australians would not have been picked up. These issues always come prime on your head, the stakes are very high

Just shut up you hypocrite. Talk to me the day you reverse your completely myopic and farked up communal stance that supports not playing tests in Gujarat. I still haven't heard you support a stance of not playing in Bangladesh for showing 'solidarity' to those muslims slain in the 1971 genocide orchestrated by yoiur own Govt, as 'leaders of a muslim nation'. Regarding IPL Waise bhai kya kar sakte hai - Hamari zehnaiyat hi aisi hai.

Lets the nukes fly...

Aye. Would be the best outcome for us all.

Invader Zim wrote:Aye. Would be the best outcome for us all.

Nuking Aus?

If I only could, I'd make a deal with God and I'd get him to swap our places, Be running up that road, be running up that hill, be running up that building. Say, If I only could, oh...

It probably has got to do with populist sentiments more than anything else. I don't see the big deal anyway.

Surely Pakistan has more things to worry to about such as the one below which is official US policy.

link

Shiv Sena is also protesting against the Aussie players and Shane Warne of all people wants to play a mediation role. I am sure nobody is in doubt about the principled noble intentions of Warne which have all come to the surface once signed up for big dollars by IPL.

Josh

Bucks and Batty were asking weeks ago why Warnie and other Oz cricketers werent doing anything to stop the Indian students bashings in Oz ...now Warnie is trying to do something (pushing shit uphill IMO but better than nothing) and you want to say it's only IPL dollars talking ...if the IPL can stop someone getting a bashing then perhaps it does have some useful purpose after all

Yes if something good comes out, it is worthwhile irrespective of what the motives may or may not have been.

Batman wrote:

Invader Zim wrote:Aye. Would be the best outcome for us all.

Nuking Aus?

Pakistan would probably look closer to home.

they may get it before they complete looking.

I completely agree with a major part of this article even if Danny calls me a 'Pakistan hating racist'.....Because terrorism and friendship can never walk together. And to hell with Faisal and his Hindu-phobic hypocrisy. You are not the only who has a right to mix politics with sport when talking about India. Not just cricket but complete diplomatic ties should be cut off till the train of terror stops.


Why Pakistan can never be a great neighbour - Link!

The polemics emanating from the IPL affront to Pakistani cricketers again brings to the fore the confused morass that is the Indian psyche; a jumble of misplaced morality and mawkish sentimentalism that revels in sadomasochistic self doubt and translates into a gibberish that has no functional value.

The net result is a floundering nation unsure of how to confront the inimical forces that confront it. In simple terms, a country that is unable to make strong decisions and stick by it.

Rajasthan Royals' co-owner Shilpa Shetty unusually forthright response to the brouhaha that followed the non-selection of the Pakistani players was a breath of fresh air. She bluntly remarked: "People have to be a little more sensitive, a bit more mature. Let's not be hypocrites and let's not turn a blind eye to the already volatile situation. …you must look at it pragmatically and see that we have had these people who are constantly threatening.

"It's not something we hold against the Pakistani players. We completely understand the situation but as franchise owners are we willing to take that risk? If something happens to the Pakistani players, the onus lies on us and who is going to take responsibility for a situation like that? When we said 'availability', we wanted complete assurance that those players would be available in the country and that we were going to be able to provide security for them."

At the outset the near unanimity of action of the IPL was praiseworthy. It was grounded in reality, made good business sense, accounted for security concerns and above all resonated with the national sentiment prevalent in the nation post 26/11.

Although the IPL refuted the charge of a premeditated conspiracy there was no denying the undercurrent of patriotic fervour. It was strong decision but subtle and hurt the enemy where it hurt most. And for once India revealed a depth to its character, an ability to stand up for itself, a new found confidence that clearly said: 'Don't toy with us'. But alas the satisfaction was short lived.

Soon notes of dissent surfaced with our honorable home minister and a Bollywood icon mouthing a namby-pamby view that was in line with India's perpetual guilt complex.

There was no need to be apologetic about the IPL stance. Yet there was Shah Rukh Khan decrying the decision not with a logical counterpoint but by singing paeans to Pakistan and invoking personal ties. He remorsefully exclaimed:" It (Pakistan) is a great neighbour to have. We are great neighbours, They are good neighbours. Let us love each other.
Let me be honest. My family is from Pakistan, my father was born there and his family is from there,"

Two glaring inconsistencies stand out in this remark. One, if Pakistan is really a great neighbour then I am Albert Einstein. Without mincing words let me say that Pakistan is a deadbeat nation that is nothing more than a drag on India's progress. The less we have to do with this nation the better.

The second objection concerns the merging of private and public domains. I have no issue with Shah Rukh Khan's personal empathy for Pakistan borne out of familial affiliations even if it cuts across hostile boundaries. But can a national icon cite family ties to influence the professional decisions of an India based organisation or to sway public opinion?

The home minister's response too was unnecessarily defensive with an uncalled for dose of self reproach. He dubbed the non-inclusion of Pakistani cricketers as a 'disservice to cricket and contended that 'these players were coming as individuals, it was not a Pakistan team.'

Another misperception that stems from a lack of pragmatic thinking. A perusal of the following excerpt (Saba Naqvi. It's Not Cricket. Outlook, January 25) reveals that these Pakistani players are not isolated individuals but members of a larger hate India club that is Pakistan.

'Consider this conversation that took place in a TV show titled 'A morning with Farah' on ATV, a Pakistan channel. Sohail Tanvir, who helped the Rajasthan Royals win and got the highest number of wickets in the first IPL is being interviewed by another journalist while the glamorous hostess, Farah, looks on. Consider Tanvir's remark: 'Hinduon ki zahaniyat hi aisi hai (the Hindu nature is like that only)' the implication being that the Hindus have deliberately deceived and humiliated Pakistanis. The journalist responds with a remark about Indians being baniyas and says: 'bagal me chhuri/ muuh me Ram Ram' (they are ready to plunge a knife behind your back though they will keep saying Ram Ram). The gentleman with this shocking view of Indians in general and Hindus in particular then goes on about how India is tricking Pakistan out of hosting the World Cup next year.'

This vitriolic outpouring is shocking but what makes it even more despicable is the prime time prominence given to such Hindu/Indophobic venom. In comparison, it is hard to find such rabid talk from even the far right of the India's political spectrum and certainly not on national television. It is this stark difference between the two nations that needs to sink into the fuzzy minds of our peaceniks.

We, in India are quick to vilify those who propose a hard line approach to Pakistan that includes severing cricket ties by branding them as radical and uncivilised. We cannot mix cricket with politics is the oft quoted mantra. But what is so sacred about this dichotomy? Is it a directive derived from logic or common sense or an abstract feel good notion with no utility value? And has continued cricketing ties mitigated Pakistan's terror shenanigans?

I would like to look at in another way. This is not about cricket and politics but cricket and humanity. I am passionate about cricket and love the game. But that is the point. Cricket is merely a game and must take second place to humane concepts.

Is it not barbaric that we choose to continue playing cricket with a people whose compatriots routinely massacre our innocent civilians? I find it uncouth when we walk over the dead bodies of the carnage of 26/11 and extend a 'loving' hand to Pakistan and Pakistanis? This suggests that we care little for the lives of our citizens and more for our image and entertainment.

This train of terror cannot go on. We must draw the line somewhere and it is here and now even if it means no cricket.

So Shilpa Shetty, who got all upset about her treatment on some shit C4 reality TV show, and who then rode the wave generated by that racism all the way to the bank, and is now the owner of an IPL team, discriminates against Pakistani players and says it's all right?

What a smug, racist bitch.

Zat wrote:So Shilpa Shetty, who got all upset about her treatment on some shit C4 reality TV show,

She didn't, actually. She was cool and dignified throughout, and never made any such accusations. Everyone else went nuts about it, but she didn't. Just thought I'd mention that.

Farque , Shoey ...You celebrity big brother knowledge is disturbing

Zat wrote:So Shilpa Shetty, who got all upset about her treatment on some shit C4 reality TV show, and who then rode the wave generated by that racism all the way to the bank, and is now the owner of an IPL team, discriminates against Pakistani players and says it's all right?

What a smug, racist bitch.

No one accused USA, UK and the rest of UN of racism when they cut off all humanitarian aid to Afghanistan and Iraq over their inability to deal with Taliban and Saddam. The issue of terrorism and the diplomatic tinderbox it now presents to the India Govt. vis a vis Pakistan is NOT racism. No one accused us of racism when Pakistani people who entered India as 'cricket fans' on fake documents and visas vanished to promote terrorism, backed by elements of Pak's Govt officials. Why should we take such chances again? Where does the line between innocent people stop and terrorists taking advantage to wreck havok begin, under such a setup run by their own Govt.?

It is funny. One Pak player racially abuses all Indians as Hindus on national TV. One of their ex-captains calls a one day victory against India a win for all Muslims in the world. The whole team abuses their limits as ambassadors of their country and as a touring team and refuses to play certain matches halfway into a tour to set up a deliberate political agenda of racial Hindu Muslim political division in our country. They also accuse us of conspiracy to steal their WC matches and of a conspiracy to isolate them. Yet we are 'racists' for mixing sport with politics and for not extending a welcoming hand after all this hostility.

Vikas

Are you allowed to vote?

embee wrote:Vikas

Are you allowed to vote?

Yes Mr. Peter Roebuck?

I think I can see one of the problems

embee wrote:I think I can see one of the problems

No you don't.

Yes ...I do ..

...and calling me Roebuck only confirms my view about your mental capacity

Reading the "rational" views put forward by you would show that you dont know much about 'reality' and that the situation is totally farqued

embee wrote:Yes ...I do ..

...and calling me Roebuck only confirms my view about your mental capacity

It actually reflects on your mental capacity trying to play Mr. Smart on issues you would know nothing about. I will leave it there.....

I dont need to know anything about an issue to realise that you have limited capacity for reasoned thought