Re: Pakistan players demand hockey World Cup boycott

by Batman Wed 03 Feb 2010, 06:09

Yeah and an Australian living in Aus knows more about India-Pak reality than an Indian living here? There is nothing rational about Pakistan anymore and that is why I called you Mr. Roebuck because you are absolutely clueless about the Indo-Pak situation. It's crap seeing you sit in judgement, isolated from the day to day terrorism that we suffer from and the pain and anger that we feel. When one of our Prime Ministers took a friendship bus to Pakistan, their serving general rewarded that initiative with Kargil invasion. Then they followed it up with an attack on our Parliament? Then with seige like Mumbai on 26/11. Was Melbourne attacked or seiged with your citizens massacred the way Mumbai was? have you lost anyone near or dear to such terrorism on your own soil abetted by your own neighboring country? Was your Parliament attacked by 'friendly neighbours'? Do you have terrorists killing innocent Australians from across the border by 'freindly neighbors' for 25 years now? Are your neighbors exporting fake Aus currency, arms and terrorists to wreck your country? he answer is you have no clue what it feels like when you country is always under attack by a neighbor who wishes no peace and you have absolutely no idea of the depth of rage in India after the Mumbai attacks.

Mr. wiseguy, the whole of India right now has a limited tolerance for Pakistan save for our thick skinned politicians. You are a clueless guy fishing in unknown waters without knowing anything about it's tides, currents or depth in a false sense of bravado that you know what you are doing. I really don't care what you think about my mental faculties because at the end of the day, YOU ARE NOT AN INDIAN. You can never understand our problems vis a vis Pakistan. You guys were the first ones to refuse to tour Pakistan and yet you claim sports and cricket is important and then you have the audacity to question our thoughts about sporting ties with them.

Rolling Eyes

by embee Wed 03 Feb 2010, 06:10

Good leave , Vikas

by embee Wed 03 Feb 2010, 06:12

I make no comments on the Indo-Pak situation ...only that over emotional irrational responses like yours wont solve anything

by Batman Wed 03 Feb 2010, 06:17

embee wrote:I make no comments on the Indo-Pak situation ...only that over emotional irrational responses like yours wont solve anything

You insinuate enough by questioning my mental faculties over my feelings for Pakistan. When the fact is you are NOT an Indian to know the emotional rage the whole country feels at the moment. Be thankful that you have only Kiwis for company and that you are not in our shoes and you don't have to feel what we feel. I will repeat again. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE INDO-PAK issue and are out of your depth commenting on an Indian's feelings over it after the Mumbai attacks. I would have thought that not a single Pak player being chosen in IPL would have told you subtly the national sentiment on why the sponsors were reluctant to pick them. But looks like thats not the case.

I will leave it at that.

by Zat Wed 03 Feb 2010, 07:40

Batman wrote:Yeah and an Australian living in Aus knows more about India-Pak reality than an Indian living here?

Batman wrote:I will repeat again. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE INDO-PAK issue and are out of your depth commenting on an Indian's feelings over it after the Mumbai attacks.

Really Vikas? All your comments on the attacks on Indians in Australia would be equally as valid as embee's comments on the Indian/Paki situation. The petard is that way :arrow:, feel free to be hoisted on it at any time.

by skully Wed 03 Feb 2010, 07:43

Too and shay.

by Batman Wed 03 Feb 2010, 08:17

Zat wrote:
Batman wrote:Yeah and an Australian living in Aus knows more about India-Pak reality than an Indian living here?
Batman wrote:I will repeat again. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE INDO-PAK issue and are out of your depth commenting on an Indian's feelings over it after the Mumbai attacks.
Really Vikas? All your comments on the attacks on Indians in Australia would be equally as valid as embee's comments on the Indian/Paki situation. The petard is that way :arrow:, feel free to be hoisted on it at any time.

I wasn't among those who accused Aus of racism over those Indian attacks. I did have a bit of a run down with embee regarding the law and order aspect of the situation though and did favor students watching each other's backs IF the Govt. failed them. I did say that Mumbai was most safe in terms of getting so frequently mugged than any Aus city. I did express disgust at Rudd Govt.'s inability to do something concrete about the situation. I did say that racism existed everywhere INCLUDING India. I also said the situation was one about a bunch of losers attacking another bunch of losers and being whinged by another bunch of losers and you had marked it as a very good post too.

How would you like it if visiting teams or players made communal remarks about your people and your team? You guys couldn't take Anil Kumble's statement about 'sportsmanship' in Sydney test without going ballistic over it and you expect us to welcome Pakistani players highly communal and provocative statements against Indians whenever it suits them? You guys called for a ban on India over the bitter Sydney test in a passion for a game and yet you expect us to not feel that passion when the whole country is under attack for no fault of ours? The question here is not about who were responsible for the bitterness in a particular game. It was just an example of what passions can be like. But what we are suffering in India vis a vis Pakistan is no game. Not when our people are deliberately killed in a planned proxy war by hostile neighbors?

I wouldn't expect you to not feel this way if you were in our shoes TBH. It's not a game anymore because the sham of 'friendship' from Pakistan has been a game for them all this time. A game when you welcome a visiting Indian prime minster with peace while your army general plots an invasion. A game of having your country under attack for close to 3 decades now where your parliaments and cities are sieged and yet you are expected to pretend all is well and keep trying to be friends with an enemy state and expected to show restraint all the time? How much limit should a nation have for such continuous hostility? Honestly how would you feel if your country was at the receiving end of such hostile neighbors and not India all the time? USA and Israel go on a bombing spree at the slightest provocation. One attack on New York is enough to have a decade full of war on 3 different countries, supported in part by your own Govt. too. And yet we have been showing restraint for close to 3 decades of terrorism from Pakistan now one after another. Why should we keep up this facade of tolerance any more? Which is why I told embee he wouldn't understand. Under any case there is a lot of difference between having some muggings in a city and in being under non-stop seige in a perpetual state of war.

by Zat Wed 03 Feb 2010, 08:52

Batman wrote:blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah....How would you like it if visiting teams or players made communal remarks about your people and your team? You guys couldn't take Anil Kumble's statement about 'sportsmanship' in Sydney test without going ballistic over it...blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Asked and answered. Don't really know why you bothered.

by Batman Wed 03 Feb 2010, 09:06

Take what you want out of it Zat. Hit or miss. Like I said. People who get worked up over a bit of passion on a sports field shouldn't be judging passions of people and their 'mental faculties' whose nation is under constant attack.

End of this chapter hopefully!

by Brass Monkey Wed 03 Feb 2010, 11:20

Oh Viktim. You're so hard-done-by aren't you? You're a hero man, fighting all this adversity. Ray cyst.

by skully Wed 03 Feb 2010, 11:27

Batman wrote:End of this chapter hopefully!

Ya see Vikas, you do this all the time, only to come back with more bile the next day.

Take a tip, and just the fark up, ya goon.

by Batman Wed 03 Feb 2010, 11:28

skully wrote:
Batman wrote:End of this chapter hopefully!
Ya see Vikas, you do this all the time, only to come back with more bile the next day.

Take a tip, and just the fark up, ya goon.

Sorry. Couldn't decipher that gibberish you posted.....
Can you try and make more sense?

by skully Wed 03 Feb 2010, 11:30

See, there you go. You just can't help yourself.

You are the forum punching bag with good reason, Vikas. Twisted Evil

by skully Wed 03 Feb 2010, 11:38

Batman wrote:I completely agree with a major part of this article even if Danny calls me a 'Pakistan hating racist'.....Because terrorism and friendship can never walk together. And to hell with Faisal and his Hindu-phobic hypocrisy. You are not the only who has a right to mix politics with sport when talking about India. Not just cricket but complete diplomatic ties should be cut off till the train of terror stops.

Why Pakistan can never be a great neighbour - Link!

The polemics emanating from the IPL affront to Pakistani cricketers again brings to the fore the confused morass that is the Indian psyche; a jumble of misplaced morality and mawkish sentimentalism that revels in sadomasochistic self doubt and translates into a gibberish that has no functional value.

The net result is a floundering nation unsure of how to confront the inimical forces that confront it. In simple terms, a country that is unable to make strong decisions and stick by it.

Rajasthan Royals' co-owner Shilpa Shetty unusually forthright response to the brouhaha that followed the non-selection of the Pakistani players was a breath of fresh air. She bluntly remarked: "People have to be a little more sensitive, a bit more mature. Let's not be hypocrites and let's not turn a blind eye to the already volatile situation. …you must look at it pragmatically and see that we have had these people who are constantly threatening.

"It's not something we hold against the Pakistani players. We completely understand the situation but as franchise owners are we willing to take that risk? If something happens to the Pakistani players, the onus lies on us and who is going to take responsibility for a situation like that? When we said 'availability', we wanted complete assurance that those players would be available in the country and that we were going to be able to provide security for them."

At the outset the near unanimity of action of the IPL was praiseworthy. It was grounded in reality, made good business sense, accounted for security concerns and above all resonated with the national sentiment prevalent in the nation post 26/11.

Although the IPL refuted the charge of a premeditated conspiracy there was no denying the undercurrent of patriotic fervour. It was strong decision but subtle and hurt the enemy where it hurt most. And for once India revealed a depth to its character, an ability to stand up for itself, a new found confidence that clearly said: 'Don't toy with us'. But alas the satisfaction was short lived.

Soon notes of dissent surfaced with our honorable home minister and a Bollywood icon mouthing a namby-pamby view that was in line with India's perpetual guilt complex.

There was no need to be apologetic about the IPL stance. Yet there was Shah Rukh Khan decrying the decision not with a logical counterpoint but by singing paeans to Pakistan and invoking personal ties. He remorsefully exclaimed:" It (Pakistan) is a great neighbour to have. We are great neighbours, They are good neighbours. Let us love each other.
Let me be honest. My family is from Pakistan, my father was born there and his family is from there,"

Two glaring inconsistencies stand out in this remark. One, if Pakistan is really a great neighbour then I am Albert Einstein. Without mincing words let me say that Pakistan is a deadbeat nation that is nothing more than a drag on India's progress. The less we have to do with this nation the better.

The second objection concerns the merging of private and public domains. I have no issue with Shah Rukh Khan's personal empathy for Pakistan borne out of familial affiliations even if it cuts across hostile boundaries. But can a national icon cite family ties to influence the professional decisions of an India based organisation or to sway public opinion?

The home minister's response too was unnecessarily defensive with an uncalled for dose of self reproach. He dubbed the non-inclusion of Pakistani cricketers as a 'disservice to cricket and contended that 'these players were coming as individuals, it was not a Pakistan team.'

Another misperception that stems from a lack of pragmatic thinking. A perusal of the following excerpt (Saba Naqvi. It's Not Cricket. Outlook, January 25) reveals that these Pakistani players are not isolated individuals but members of a larger hate India club that is Pakistan.

'Consider this conversation that took place in a TV show titled 'A morning with Farah' on ATV, a Pakistan channel. Sohail Tanvir, who helped the Rajasthan Royals win and got the highest number of wickets in the first IPL is being interviewed by another journalist while the glamorous hostess, Farah, looks on. Consider Tanvir's remark: 'Hinduon ki zahaniyat hi aisi hai (the Hindu nature is like that only)' the implication being that the Hindus have deliberately deceived and humiliated Pakistanis. The journalist responds with a remark about Indians being baniyas and says: 'bagal me chhuri/ muuh me Ram Ram' (they are ready to plunge a knife behind your back though they will keep saying Ram Ram). The gentleman with this shocking view of Indians in general and Hindus in particular then goes on about how India is tricking Pakistan out of hosting the World Cup next year.'

This vitriolic outpouring is shocking but what makes it even more despicable is the prime time prominence given to such Hindu/Indophobic venom. In comparison, it is hard to find such rabid talk from even the far right of the India's political spectrum and certainly not on national television. It is this stark difference between the two nations that needs to sink into the fuzzy minds of our peaceniks.

We, in India are quick to vilify those who propose a hard line approach to Pakistan that includes severing cricket ties by branding them as radical and uncivilised. We cannot mix cricket with politics is the oft quoted mantra. But what is so sacred about this dichotomy? Is it a directive derived from logic or common sense or an abstract feel good notion with no utility value? And has continued cricketing ties mitigated Pakistan's terror shenanigans?

I would like to look at in another way. This is not about cricket and politics but cricket and humanity. I am passionate about cricket and love the game. But that is the point. Cricket is merely a game and must take second place to humane concepts.

Is it not barbaric that we choose to continue playing cricket with a people whose compatriots routinely massacre our innocent civilians? I find it uncouth when we walk over the dead bodies of the carnage of 26/11 and extend a 'loving' hand to Pakistan and Pakistanis? This suggests that we care little for the lives of our citizens and more for our image and entertainment.

This train of terror cannot go on. We must draw the line somewhere and it is here and now even if it means no cricket.

PMSL. 1,155 words, and I only know that because cut and pasted it into a Word document and ran Word Count. It took up two farkin pages.

I defy any self-respecting FBer other than Vikas to actually read and digest this tripe.

What a boring gobbledock you are, Vikas.

by Batman Wed 03 Feb 2010, 11:40

skully wrote:See, there you go. You just can't help yourself.

You are the forum punching bag with good reason, Vikas.

And you are my punching bag. Keep pissing all over yourself. Thats what a lot of old people do when viagara stops working for them
Laughing

by Batman Wed 03 Feb 2010, 11:42

skully wrote: I defy any self-respecting FBer other than Vikas to actually read and digest this tripe.

What a boring gobbledock you are, Vikas.

This coming from a loser obsessed with someone who he likes to call a loser? And you are such a man of honor and dignity loudly proclaiming that you could stay off commenting on me and than making an arse of yourself when you couldn't keep your own word?

by skully Wed 03 Feb 2010, 11:47

Call me what you like, Vikas. Means nothing to me. Words on a page, she-boy.

But you seem to get so cut up about these words. [snigger]

by Batman Wed 03 Feb 2010, 11:50

skully wrote:Call me what you like, Vikas. Means nothing to me. Words on a page, she-boy.

Is that why you wasted so many posts rebutting me, trying to get the last word in and deluding yourself you had baited me? The hunter became the hunted and you kept posting rabidly all over it......

Seriously!!! What kind of a loser are you wasting so much time and space after a 'loser' like me?

by skully Wed 03 Feb 2010, 11:53

And how many times do you have to boringly repeat that same line, Vikas?

I heard you the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th times.

I do it because it shits you, no more, no less.

by Batman Wed 03 Feb 2010, 11:59

skully wrote:And how many times do you have to boringly repeat that same line, Vikas?

I heard you the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th times.

I do it because it shits you, no more, no less.

I repeat it because it shits you, no more, no less.

Come again?
What kind of a loser are you wasting so much time and space after 'loser' like me?

bounce

by skully Wed 03 Feb 2010, 12:00

by Batman Wed 03 Feb 2010, 12:03

skully wrote:

Thats it? No more baits left? I was just getting warmed up? Looks like this is how far viagara will ever get you.....

by Brass Monkey Wed 03 Feb 2010, 12:03

Viktim, I'm not getting involved - i.e. I'm not siding with skully but 'new material' please mate. Otherwise you're going to sound like a demented pencil-cock.

by Batman Wed 03 Feb 2010, 12:06

Brass Monkey wrote:Viktim, I'm not getting involved - i.e. I'm not siding with skully but 'new material' please mate. Otherwise you're going to sound like a demented pencil-cock.

Should there be any other way of saying the same thing necessarily? And of course I am demented. I was born insane in fact. Whats your excuse?

by Brass Monkey Wed 03 Feb 2010, 12:18

Batman wrote:
Should there be any other way of saying the same thing necessarily? And of course I am demented. I was born insane in fact. Whats your excuse?

Um, I'm not sure. A natural sense of indignation. The fear of sounding monotonous. Too many mushrooms. Not enough money. The usual thing.

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