Re: UK politics thread (II)

[JGK]

Boris is a bit of a knob, but he is correct in saying that the continual infighting in Parliament is damaging the UK’s negotiating position

A bit of a knob taips? The man's a six foot throbber.

If the remain side really want to persuade people that Boris & C are wrong, these two really aren't the ones to do it.



1930 Germany, Vladimir Putin and recep Tayyip Erdogan .... really? Desparate stuff.

Isn't the point that if you start trashing conventions and get away with it where do you stop?

A bit of this is happening in Australia at the moment in relation to transparency v security. A number of news organisations have been raided by the Federal Police under the guise of national security because they published reports which embarrassed the government.

[Growler]

You'll get no argument from me on this issue, Mr K. However, what you saw in that "debate" was one brexiter attempting to make his case (not very well tbh) over two shrieking women on the verge of hysteria.

Chopping off heads ? Putin and Erdogan ? Since the remainer brought up the subject, I feel I can suggest that Yasmin Alibhai-Brown and Konnie Huq reminded me of a 1930's Munich rally much more than Mike Parry - in both language and delivery.

I'm not going to even try to defend Boris - but it's worth noting that he's by far the only player in this mess who's breaking conventions ... but I don't think he's actually done anything which doesn't already have precedent somewhere in our long history (the actual subject of Brexit aside, that is)

[Bradman]

If this goes to an election (doubtful looking at the latest polls) what would be a victory for brexiteers?

The remainers don't need a victory they'll just ignore the result, but what would be an indicator of the public's view given that Boris hijacked the brexit party's platform?  A tory victory with a slew of remainers losing their seats?  Not stirring, just curious.

[Bradman]

Boris is a bit of a knob, but he is correct in saying that the continual infighting in Parliament is damaging the UK’s negotiating position

A bit of a knob taips? The man's a six foot throbber.

If the remain side really want to persuade people that Boris & C are wrong, these two really aren't the ones to do it.



1930 Germany, Vladimir Putin and recep Tayyip Erdogan .... really? Desparate stuff.

Isn't the point that if you start trashing conventions and get away with it where do you stop?

A bit of this is happening in Australia at the moment in relation to transparency v security.  A number of news organisations have been raided by the Federal Police under the guise of national security because they published reports which embarrassed the government.

Topical K.  The feds are currently residing the home of a former govt advisor.

[horace]

I doubt more than 2% of Australians give a rat's about arrests of journos, public servants and the imminent gaoling of Witness K and lawyer Collaroey over Oz spying on E Timor so Downer and Woodside could enrich themselves.,

[taipan]

Boris is a bit of a knob, but he is correct in saying that the continual infighting in Parliament is damaging the UK’s negotiating position

A bit of a knob taips? The man's a six foot throbber.

If the remain side really want to persuade people that Boris & C are wrong, these two really aren't the ones to do it.



1930 Germany, Vladimir Putin and recep Tayyip Erdogan .... really? Desparate stuff.

The way Yasmin tried to skew the referendum stats reminded me of how Karti tried to prove that India was the best team in the world.

[Bradman]

Record turnout wasn't it?

[taipan]

Something like that and made about as much sense as the remainers in that debate

[Basil]

There is no need to finesse the stats for the referendum. The premise of the Leave campaign was that we would have a negotiated exit from the EU. That has not happened. The government has NO mandate to take us out without a deal.

[taipan]

Research by the Electoral Commission confirmed that its recommended question "was clear and straightforward for voters, and was the most neutral wording from the range of options ... considered and tested", citing responses to its consultation by a diverse range of consultees.[49] The proposed question was accepted by the government in September 2015, shortly before the bill's third reading.[50] The question that appeared on ballot papers in the referendum under the Act was:

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

with the responses to the question to be (to be marked with a single (X)):

Remain a member of the European Union
Leave the European Union

[Basil]

Quite, but the main thrust of the Leave campaign was a negotiated exit, that's what in effect, the 52% voted for. No Deal was not "a thing".

Logically, there needs to be a second referendum with two choices - Remain in the EU, or leave with No Deal. It's the only way to provide clarity as our politicians are deficient in that respect.

Then, whatever the result, we can have an election.

[taipan]

Quite, but the main thrust of the Leave campaign was a negotiated exit, that's what in effect, the 52% voted for. No Deal was not "a thing".

Logically, there needs to be a second referendum with two choices - Remain in the EU, or leave with No Deal. It's the only way to provide clarity as our politicians are deficient in that respect.

Then, whatever the result, we can have an election.

Fair enough, but I don’t think anyone at that stage anticipated Parliament rejecting the negotiated exit.

[Basil]

Quite, but the main thrust of the Leave campaign was a negotiated exit, that's what in effect, the 52% voted for. No Deal was not "a thing".

Logically, there needs to be a second referendum with two choices - Remain in the EU, or leave with No Deal. It's the only way to provide clarity as our politicians are deficient in that respect.

Then, whatever the result, we can have an election.

Fair enough, but I don’t think anyone at that stage anticipated Parliament rejecting the negotiated exit.

Interestingly, Boris' hatchet man, Dominic Cummings envisioned 2 referendums from the outset, one to establish the principal of leaving and the second on the actual deal. That would have been the better way to go.

[skully]

What an extraordinarily monumental fark up this whole palaver has been.

[JGK]

At least the Pommie electorate can make a decision. We’re aren’t going to be a republic in my lifetime.

[horace]

Hopefully your kids will see it Mr K. I look forward to corgis being booted out of the country.

[taipan]

The corgi bloodline has died out. Please try and keep up.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a24266696/queen-elizabeth-last-corgi-whisper-died/

[JGK]

I think it was a typo. He meant to say Tories.

Also, forgot to ask, did you end up going to Old Trafford?

[taipan]

I think it was a typo.  He meant to say Tories.

Also, forgot to ask, did you end up going to Old Trafford?

Yep, was at the Crystal Palace match.

[JGK]

Ugh. What a cluster fark that was.

[Bradman]

Still pmsl.

[skully]

At least the Pommie electorate can make a decision.  We’re aren’t going to be a republic in my lifetime.

Will it make any difference to your life?

I really CGAF about the monarchy v republic argument.

[JGK]

At least the Pommie electorate can make a decision.  We’re aren’t going to be a republic in my lifetime.

Will it make any difference to your life?

Practically no but neither would a Dragon's Premiership. But it doesn't mean I wouldn't like it to happen though.

[embee]

Still pmsl.

me too

[skully]

At least the Pommie electorate can make a decision.  We’re aren’t going to be a republic in my lifetime.

Will it make any difference to your life?

Practically no but neither would a Dragon's Premiership.    But it doesn't mean I wouldn't like it to happen though.

Jayzus man!!! That is a total no contest.

A Drags premiership would give me a spring in my step for many months. ICGAF about the other thing.

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