Re: UK politics thread (II)

[horace]

Finally Labour comes clean. 

Hopes that Labour might support the common market 2.0 plan faded on Sunday after Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, said it was Labour’s policy to be close to the single market, but not in it. “Our reservation about being in the single market is that we would have to accept things as they currently are in relation to immigration,” she said. “We can’t pretend that the referendum, part of the debate, wasn’t about immigration.”

[taipan]

Five hour cabinet meeting today.

This should resolve all the problems.

[Basil]

May will probably try to reintroduce her wretched deal, but it's difficult to see the Speaker allowing it unless it is materially different from its predecessors.

The H of C blew its chance at taking control of this disaster last night when it failed to coalesce around one of the alternative plans doing the rounds.

[horace]

Surely a snap election is on the Cards?

[taipan]

Surely a snap election is on the Cards?

Doubt it. Too many MP's running scared

[JGK]

Clusterfark doesn't begin to cover this.

Have the UK pollies actually done anything in the last 3 years other than this?

[Bradman]

Hope so because they certainly haven't done much of this.

[skully]

Over the years here in Aus, the PM of the day has liked to imply that the Opposition leader is somewhat of a "Dr No" when it comes to important new legislation. The UK HoC seems to have a whole chamber of them.

How in the fark is voting "no" to every proposal meant to get the UK out of this mess??

[Bradman]

Well if no option is palatable to the wide variety of fruit loops here, and that's a surprise , that's what happens. No deal must be a certainty.

[skully]

And yet the HoC has already voted down a "No deal" Brexit.

Has the Opposition actually proposed an alternative to May's plan, or is it just a matter of "that's her job - ours is to be obstructionist bastards".

Jeremy Corbyn seems a right qunt to me.

[taipan]

The way I understand it, is that if HoC don't approve a deal, the EU will implement "no deal"

[Bradman]

What taips said. Though they might crap themselves and offer a last minute concession, but I doubt it. Gold looking good right now.

[horace]

The way I understand it, is that if HoC don't approve a deal, the EU will implement "no deal"

Unless there is either a second referendum or an election. EU has said that.

May can trot off and call an election any time. Given her commitment to resign if a deal is reached and that has not been achieved, she would want the election to provide her a mandate for her model. Good luck with getting her model endorsed in the Tory's election platform - but realistically what else can they run with.

Still an election, principally about Brexit might actually force her Party to toe the line and not split, which might be the case if May leaves and Johnson or Gove got the numbers.

Corbyn would be stuffed in an election if his party adopts a Brexit platform he does not like. He would campaign as if it did not exist and given the election would be dominated by Brexit he'd be irrelevant. 

I expect the Brit electorate are so fed up by it all a swag of Independents may get up, inc those aligned with the recent defectors. I expect the Brexit voting histories of current sitting members will be widely publicised. 

A large number of electors will likely vote for candidates whose positions (leave/remain and variants) align with their own. 

Successful candidates would likely claim a quasi mandate for their position, irrespective of party platforms. I imagine many candidates at odds with their Party's position will go rogue during the campaign.

[horace]

What taips said.  Though they might crap themselves and offer a last minute concession, but I doubt it.  Gold looking good right now.

Yep

[skully]

Meanwhile, in the Aus budget, the GST on colostomy bags has been doubled.

[horace]

now, now Skullywag, 1/4 was yesterday.

[Bradman]

Wouldn't know. I was playing angry birds.

[taipan]

The way I understand it, is that if HoC don't approve a deal, the EU will implement "no deal"

Unless there is either a second referendum or an election. EU has said that.

May can trot off and call an election any time.



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Factually incorrect. She needs a two thirds majority in the house to call an early election

[horace]

Read somewhere there is a way around that legislation.

[taipan]

Need a vote of no confidence. Since most Tory MP's are shit scared of going to the electorate this is unlikely

[Growler]

Just had a vote of confidence, taips. Can't even think of it for several months yet.

[taipan]

So back to Europe to ask for an extension.

May offers to meet with the farkwit Corbyn.

[taipan]

Just had a vote of confidence, taips. Can't even think of it for several months yet.

Thanks.

Is there another way to have an election?

[Bradman]

Well if they had a real Constitution the Queen could dissolve Parliament 😂

[Basil]

Just had a vote of confidence, taips. Can't even think of it for several months yet.

Thanks.

Is there another way to have an election?

An election will be a distraction. The odds are in favour of another hung parliament - just what we don't need.

For what it's worth , I think we would have been up shoite street even without an election in 2017, as the Tories' majority was only 12 if memory serves and that is fark all compared with some of the defeats visited on the government.

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