Re: UK politics thread (II)

[horace]

Not sure Sturgeon has the mandate to declare UDI

She could point out the SNP's electoral result, the denial of another referendum etc.

Only got 45% of the vote

Easy to argue that plenty of those who voted elsewhere still support separation.

[taipan]

Well 53% voted Tory, Labour and SDP so very easy to argue that plenty are remain

[Bradman]

They'll give it a year or two. If it all goes to crap maybe. They'll need more thabn a decentmajority for UDI

[Basil]

Not sure Sturgeon has the mandate to declare UDI

She could point out the SNP's electoral result, the denial of another referendum etc.

Only got 45% of the vote

An independent Scotland has zero chance of being allowed to join the EU. And that assumes that they would vote for independence in the first place. That is far from a given.

[horace]

Not sure Sturgeon has the mandate to declare UDI

She could point out the SNP's electoral result, the denial of another referendum etc.

Only got 45% of the vote

An independent  Scotland has zero chance of being allowed to join the EU.  And that assumes that they would vote for independence in the first place. That is far from a given.

Agree - nothing is a given. However 45% voted SNP and I expect a fair swag of voters for other parties would vote independence.

There are strategic advantages in the EU admitting Scotland as well as costs. It would be interesting for the SNP to organise a referendum, irrespective of Westminster. Perhaps voting could be restricted to 2nd generation+ residents.

[Growler]

Horace, there is no way while you've got a hole in your arse that Scotland will gain membership of the EU, no matter what it's economic circumstances.

The Spanish have had enough problems recently with Catalan separatists. They are not going to be inclined to embolden them even further by allowing a separatist Scotland to join up - even after a UK sanctioned referendum.

If Sturgeon even entertains the idea of an unsanctioned referendum with expectation of EU membership, she really should be locked in a padded room and sedated. It simply isn't going to happen.

Edit - you say voters from other parties may vote for independance, which is true. However, you can't count on ading them to the 45% SNP vote and getting over the line. My son is one of a vast swathe of people who vote SNP for domestic policies paid for with English money - and for no other reason. He thinks Sturgeon is a head-case.

Don't imagine anywhere near all SNP voters want independance, my friend. They know the economic realities North of the border.

[JGK]

Horace, there is no way while you've got a hole in your arse that Scotland will gain membership of the EU,
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What if he has a bag?

[Basil]

Horace, there is no way while you've got a hole in your arse that Scotland will gain membership of the EU,
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What if he has a bag?

Knowing Horrie, he has an arsehole and a bag. By the way, my tablet wants to spell check Horrie as horror.

[taipan]

Horace, there is no way while you've got a hole in your arse that Scotland will gain membership of the EU, no matter what it's economic circumstances.

The Spanish have had enough problems recently with Catalan separatists. They are not going to be inclined to embolden them even further by allowing a separatist Scotland to join up - even after a UK sanctioned referendum.

If Sturgeon even entertains the idea of an unsanctioned referendum with expectation of EU membership, she really should be locked in a padded room and sedated. It simply isn't going to happen.

Edit - you say voters from other parties may vote for independance, which is true. However, you can't count on ading them to the 45% SNP vote and getting over the line. My son is one of a vast swathe of people who vote SNP for domestic policies paid for with English money - and for no other reason. He thinks Sturgeon is a head-case.

Don't imagine anywhere near all SNP voters want independance, my friend. They know the economic realities North of the border.

Horror has been in denial since the Australian referendum of 1999

[horace]

The task of those parts of the world with any sense of civility is to isolate the English. The Scotties were ripped off on North Sea Oil payments. An independent nation would go the English for reparations for that and other indignities.

** Can confirm. Bags and bodily apertures are separate.

[horace]

A free Scotland would nationalise distilleries and share the benefits among workers. The Poms would have to pay a premium for whiskey.

[taipan]

A free Scotland would nationalise distilleries and share the benefits among workers. The Poms would have to pay a premium for whiskey.

They do. Scotch has always been cheaper in SA.

[Bradman]

Prefer Irish myself ( segues into another brwxit problem).

[beamer]

The EU will let Scotland back in, as they will recognise they were dragged out against their will by England and Wales. If they’d voted for independence pre-Brexit, it would have been a lot tougher.

At worst, they will take a “Norway option” and leave England and Wales isolated by hard borders on all sides.

[Basil]

The EU will let Scotland back in, as they will recognise they were dragged out against their will by England and Wales. If they’d voted for independence pre-Brexit, it would have been a lot tougher.

At worst, they will take a “Norway option” and leave England and Wales isolated by hard borders on all sides.

Good luck with getting Spain to agree with that.

[Growler]

The EU will let Scotland back in, as they will recognise they were dragged out against their will by England and Wales. If they’d voted for independence pre-Brexit, it would have been a lot tougher.

At worst, they will take a “Norway option” and leave England and Wales isolated by hard borders on all sides.

Good luck with getting Spain to agree with that.

Even if Catalan separatists weren't an issue - Spain (and others) won't be chuffed at the prospect of another limp economy sucking on the financial tit ... which will be somewhat drier without UK contributions.

[beamer]

Barring an unlikely future “Spexit” scenario, they’re not setting any sort of precedent for Catalonia. And the EU27 have made a big point of showing unity over Brexit (even if Poland and Hungary are opening up major cracks in other ways).

Of course a unilateral independence declaration not recognised by the UK government wouldn’t be a basis for EU accession talks.

[horace]

Barring an unlikely future “Spexit” scenario, they’re not setting any sort of precedent for Catalonia. And the EU27 have made a big point of showing unity over Brexit (even if Poland and Hungary are opening up major cracks in other ways).

Of course a unilateral independence declaration not recognised by the UK government wouldn’t be a basis for EU accession talks.

I reckon it would only require a significant number of other countries to recognise Scotland (especially EU members) and establish diplomatic relations for it to have a case for EU membership.

[Basil]

Barring an unlikely future “Spexit” scenario, they’re not setting any sort of precedent for Catalonia. And the EU27 have made a big point of showing unity over Brexit (even if Poland and Hungary are opening up major cracks in other ways).

Of course a unilateral independence declaration not recognised by the UK government wouldn’t be a basis for EU accession talks.

I reckon it would only require a significant number of other countries to recognise Scotland (especially EU members) and establish diplomatic relations for it to have a case for EU membership.

Any such vote would have to be unanimous.

Snowball
Hell.

Think of a sentence with those two words featuring prominently.

[skully]

Has Boris done well in the current crisis - or too slow to act?

[Basil]

I think he's done ok. He would not have been my first choice for PM in a crisis, but in truth I now doubt anyone else would have done better. Certainly not Corbyn.

[skully]

Aye Bas, that was my take.

My Essex based daughter was not so kind.

[Bradman]

Problem with Boris is even when he's talking sense and acting like a leader he still comes across as a buffoon who stumbled into No.10 and no one thought to ask him to leave. And from the outside he seems to be doing okay.

[Basil]

This will make or break him.

[skully]

Good to see BoJo on the mend.

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