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Post by taipan Tue 31 May 2011, 11:34

skully wrote:
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skully wrote:So we are all agreed then? Roebuck should be put on the "B" Ark bound for the sun?

Wasn't the transportation sufficient punushment?
Why are you speaking with a Kiwi accent?

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Post by Gary 111 Tue 31 May 2011, 11:35

JKLever wrote:Dernbachs accent. Deffo a mix of Saffer/Lahndan.


tbh - I wouldn't have picked up the Saffer part unless I was listening for it.

That interviewer is a bit of a suck-up isn't he?
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Post by skully Tue 31 May 2011, 11:38

taipan wrote:
skully wrote:
taipan wrote:
skully wrote:So we are all agreed then? Roebuck should be put on the "B" Ark bound for the sun?

Wasn't the transportation sufficient punushment?
Why are you speaking with a Kiwi accent?

Well played Red.
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Post by JKLever Tue 31 May 2011, 11:45

Gary 111 wrote:
JKLever wrote:Dernbachs accent. Deffo a mix of Saffer/Lahndan.


tbh - I wouldn't have picked up the Saffer part unless I was listening for it.

That interviewer is a bit of a suck-up isn't he?

Aye and aye! A lot less saffer than I was expecting.

Regarding Roebuck, he's an incredibly bitter man who has written some pretty nasty or should I say 'nazi' pieces on cricinfo about genetics & parenthood. He's absolutely infatuated with them.
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Post by Brass Monkey Tue 31 May 2011, 11:47

skully wrote:
taipan wrote:Wasn't the transportation sufficient punushment?
Why are you speaking with a Kiwi accent?

Laughing Laughing Noice!
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Post by Brass Monkey Tue 31 May 2011, 11:48

JKLever wrote:Dernbachs accent. Deffo a mix of Saffer/Lahndan.

Oh like London's any less foreign, poncey or better.
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Post by JKLever Tue 31 May 2011, 11:49

Fair call Laughing
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Post by Red Tue 31 May 2011, 11:57

Gary 111 wrote:
JKLever wrote:Apparently Malcolm Conn & Peter Roebuck going off on one about 'another saffie' called up.

Yes, thats the New Zealand born Australian writer and the very same Peter Roebuck who now calls Australia 'we'.

If Roebuck was any more bitter he'd be pumped out of kegs labelled Tetley's.

Is it a coincidence that since he emigrated to Australia their team has become utter gash?

And don't get him started on all those young South African boys coming over to England, and breaking house rules and choosing the 3 lions.

Spare the rod and spoil the child was his solution with them was it not?
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Post by Gary 111 Tue 31 May 2011, 12:05

JKLever wrote:
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JKLever wrote:Dernbachs accent. Deffo a mix of Saffer/Lahndan.


tbh - I wouldn't have picked up the Saffer part unless I was listening for it.

That interviewer is a bit of a suck-up isn't he?

Aye and aye! A lot less saffer than I was expecting.

Regarding Roebuck, he's an incredibly bitter man who has written some pretty nasty or should I say 'nazi' pieces on cricinfo about genetics & parenthood. He's absolutely infatuated with them.

Roebuck must be a member of the Third Empire.

Not only did he champion the selection of Chris Read for England:

Roebuck: Give a belated chance to Chris Read

He also criticised Bruce French, one of our brave and heroic Allies as one of the 'greedy, miserable lot' who profiteered from apartheid in South Africa.

Roebuck: Bruce French product of system 'riddled by racism'
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Post by Brass Monkey Tue 31 May 2011, 12:11

Top journalism Gaz. Sorry, Gunther.
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Post by PeterCS Tue 31 May 2011, 12:17

Spanky is still scornful about the tame French capitulation before the might of his mates in 1940?
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Post by beamer Tue 31 May 2011, 21:06

On the Dernbach issue and why the "hate":

1. He's called Jade, a silly enough name for a man even before the late Ms Goody rose to fame, since her I wouldn't even want a Jade in the England Women's team...

2. Don't mind a Yarpie or two (or three or four), or other non-English born player for that matter, if they are committed and potentially improve the team or bring something different. But when we're doing it for the sake of it and there's equally talented English born players I'd rather they had a chance first. Remember the Aussie Roofer and the Not-So-Great Dane... And Yarpoms are traditionally batsmen and keepers, when they take over the bowling as well it's a slippery slope to the first all-SA-born England side!

3. And on that subject by all accounts he's nothing special as a bowler. Maybe we have to get this one over with and allow him to be this year's Pattinson or Noey Khan't. But my fear is he gets some cheap wickets against a demoralised Sri Lankan side and books his place for the summer at least...

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Post by Big Dog Tue 31 May 2011, 22:03

But my fear is he gets some cheap wickets against a demoralised Sri Lankan side and books his place for the summer at least...

Shades of Bollinger v Pakistan.
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Post by LeFromage Tue 31 May 2011, 23:22

beamer wrote:On the Dernbach issue and why the "hate":

1. He's called Jade, a silly enough name for a man even before the late Ms Goody rose to fame, since her I wouldn't even want a Jade in the England Women's team...

2. Don't mind a Yarpie or two (or three or four), or other non-English born player for that matter, if they are committed and potentially improve the team or bring something different. But when we're doing it for the sake of it and there's equally talented English born players I'd rather they had a chance first. Remember the Aussie Roofer and the Not-So-Great Dane... And Yarpoms are traditionally batsmen and keepers, when they take over the bowling as well it's a slippery slope to the first all-SA-born England side!

3. And on that subject by all accounts he's nothing special as a bowler. Maybe we have to get this one over with and allow him to be this year's Pattinson or Noey Khan't. But my fear is he gets some cheap wickets against a demoralised Sri Lankan side and books his place for the summer at least...

He's done the yards. Only ever played county cricket. The ECB have invested in him over the long-term - he's been on the winter fast bowling programmes over the years, progressed to the Lions, impressed for the Lions, got drafted into the ODI squad.

It'd be a bit stupid to turn around now and say, we're not going to pick him because ten years ago his parents lived in South Africa.
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Post by Brass Monkey Wed 01 Jun 2011, 10:07

No, it's more about him being from Surrey.... Tremlett doesn't count, at the minute.
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Post by LeFromage Wed 01 Jun 2011, 10:12

Tremlett's Hampshire as.

His heart (and much of the rest of his body) is just on loan to the Brown Shorts.
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Post by Zat Wed 01 Jun 2011, 10:21

Has Red chimed in on Dernbach? That's usually a pretty good barometer as to a cricketer's Saffieness.

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Post by LeFromage Wed 01 Jun 2011, 10:42

Qualification Rules for International Cricket Council Matches, Series and Competitions

A. DEFINITIONS

1. ‘Immediately preceding years’ means the years immediately preceding the date by which applications are due to be submitted to the ICC by Members concerning their nominations for a particular tournament or competition, regardless of whether those years predate the Effective Date.
2. ‘Member’ means a Full, Associate or Affiliate Member of the ICC and ‘Member Country’ shall be construed accordingly.
3. ‘Representative Cricket’ means any cricket match or matches in which a team representing a Member Country at Under 19 level or above takes part and which takes place under the auspices of ICC.
4. ‘the Effective Date’ is 1st October 2002.

B. QUALIFICATION CRITERIA

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1. A cricketer is qualified to play Representative Cricket for a Member Country of which he is a national or, in cases of non-nationals, in which he was born provided that:
i) (subject to (c) and (b)5 below) he has not played Representative Cricket for any other Member Country during the 4 immediately preceding years; and
ii) (subject to (b)5 below) in the case where the Member Country is an Associate or Affiliate Member, the cricketer satisfies one or more of the Development Criteria in paragraph (b)4 below and the ‘quota’ requirement of (b)3.
2. A player who has resided for a minimum of 183 days in a Member Country in each of the 4 immediately preceding years shall be a ‘deemed national’ of that country for the purpose of these Rules.
3. i) Subject to 3(ii) below, Affiliate and Associate Members may not field more than 2 players in any one team who are deemed nationals under paragraph (b) 2.
ii) For the purposes of this sub- rule , a player who has resided in an Affiliate or Associate Member Country for a minimum of 183 days in each of the 7 immediately pre ceding years shall be classified as a national rather than a ‘deemed national ’of that Member Country.

4. A player wishing to represent an Associate or Affiliate Member Country shall be required to satisfy one or more of the following additional Development Criteria:
i) the player shall have played 50% or more of the scheduled games for his team in a national cricket competition in the relevant Associate or Affiliate Member Country in any 3 of the preceding 5 years; or
ii) the player shall have spent a cumulative total of 100 days or more during the preceding 5 years in the relevant Associate or Affiliate Member Country coaching, playing or working in the administration or development of cricket in that country; or
iii) the player shall have played Representative Cricket for the relevant Associate or Affiliate Member Country either under previous ICC rules or where the current ICC development criteria had applied; or
iv) the player shall have dedicated a reasonable period of time to activities which, in the opinion of the Chairman of the Cricket Committee (CC), constitute a sufficient demonstration of a player's genuine commitment to the development of cricket in the relevant Associate of Affiliate Member Country.
5. Where an Associate or Affiliate Member Country is fielding a team in a match against a Full Member or in any match which forms part of a tournament or competition involving teams from one or more Full Members, the requirements of b1(ii), b(3), b(4) and c(3) shall not apply.
6. Transfer of ‘Playing Nationality’
i) Cricketers qualified to play for a Member Country can continue to represent that country without negating their eligibility or interrupting their qualification period for another Member Country up until the stage that the cricketer has played for the first Member Country at Under 19 level or above.
ii) Cricketers qualified to play for Associate and Affiliate Members can continue to represent that country without negating their eligibility or interrupting their qualification period for a Full Member Country up until the stage that the cricketer has played for the Full Member Country at Under 19 level or above.
iii) Associate and Affiliate Members shall be limited to 2 players per team who have formerly played Representative Cricket for a Full Member Country.

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Post by LeFromage Wed 01 Jun 2011, 10:47

Picking the bones out of it, having played for the England Lions, it seems like Dirtbag would have to stump up the four-year qualifying period to play for any other country - even the Saffs.

So, it's more than fair enough that he should be picked (if selected) for England, as there's no-one else he can play for and it'd be more than a tad harsh for him to be cast out into the international wilderness due to his parents' choice of living arrangements in his early years and a couple of predictable journalists taking a few cheap shots that sell well in middle England.


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Post by taipan Wed 01 Jun 2011, 10:48

beamer wrote:On the Dernbach issue and why the "hate":

1. He's called Jade, a silly enough name for a man even before the late Ms Goody rose to fame, since her I wouldn't even want a Jade in the England Women's team...

2. Don't mind a Yarpie or two (or three or four), or other non-English born player for that matter, if they are committed and potentially improve the team or bring something different. But when we're doing it for the sake of it and there's equally talented English born players I'd rather they had a chance first. Remember the Aussie Roofer and the Not-So-Great Dane... And Yarpoms are traditionally batsmen and keepers, when they take over the bowling as well it's a slippery slope to the first all-SA-born England side!
3. And on that subject by all accounts he's nothing special as a bowler. Maybe we have to get this one over with and allow him to be this year's Pattinson or Noey Khan't. But my fear is he gets some cheap wickets against a demoralised Sri Lankan side and books his place for the summer at least...

If you find a spinner, can we have him back please.
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Post by Brass Monkey Wed 01 Jun 2011, 11:00

sh!t! Feel the love from Dello. To paraphrase: MEN - for anyone who's curious. I think Dernbach's got his first England crush.
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Post by taipan Wed 01 Jun 2011, 11:03

Dello wrote:Picking the bones out of it, having played for the England Lions, it seems like Dirtbag would have to stump up the four-year qualifying period to play for any other country - even the Saffs.

So, it's more than fair enough that he should be picked (if selected) for England, as there's no-one else he can play for and it'd be more than a tad harsh for him to be cast out into the international wilderness due to his parents' choice of living arrangements in his early years and a couple of predictable journalists taking a few cheap shots that sell well in middle England.

Look he's definitely pom.

No Saffie would call their son Jade.
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Post by LeFromage Wed 01 Jun 2011, 11:06

Brass Monkey wrote:sh!t! Feel the love from Dello. To paraphrase: MEN - for anyone who's curious. I think Dernbach's got his first England crush.

Pfft. I say don't pick him because he's dump.

It's just a tedious subject that gets dredged up more often than is funny. Who cares where he was born? We're not living in the 19th century. People move around.

Fact is he, like everyone that has played for England thus far, is qualified to do so. Any other deviation from that fact is pure arse dribble.
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Post by JKLever Wed 01 Jun 2011, 11:07

Brass Monkey wrote:sh!t! Feel the love from Dello. To paraphrase: MEN - for anyone who's curious. I think Dernbach's got his first England crush.

It's positively sickening... sook
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Post by Zat Wed 01 Jun 2011, 11:07

Fark, Dello talking about curious men and arse dribble... You looking to cozy up to skully on a trip down under or summat Jay?

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