Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)

[skully]

What about your article? Like everything in here, it is someone's opinion (and way too many words). And not sure why you felt the need to put it in spoiler tags?

And my emphasis was on the word "waste". The lack of accountability in both schemes was simply staggering.

[Mick Sawyer]

What about your article? Like everything in here, it is someone's opinion (and way too many words). And not sure why you felt the need to put it in spoiler tags?

And my emphasis was on the word "waste". The lack of accountability in both schemes was simply staggering.

I put in a spoiler to keep it tidy because it was a long article. For whatever reason I could not make the linking thing work.

It's the "waste" contention that I was addressing. The economy was at risk of being laid to "waste" at that absolutely critical time. Lots of money had to be spent and spent very quickly. I fully accept that some of the prices paid were farcical and therefore seen as "wastes" of money. The circumstances at the time did not allow for 6 months worth of planning. If government faffed about putting in place all the accountability mechanisms that are normally expected then they rightfully would have been accussed of fiddling whilst Rome burned. In that context it truthfully doesn't matter if that fat shite contractor made four times what he should have, just so long as he spent or invested the money and paid tax in Australia.

Edit: You can have to accept my word on this: my view is not based on party politics. I've been strongly critical of the Qld Labor government for their expenditure bungling. Grand scale waste and incompetence.
The various GFC stimulus packages put in place by the Federal Labor government were absolutely correct macroeconomic management.

[G.Wood]

I like the way MS puts the article in the spoiler - makes it far less annoying.



By far the most useful thing I have seen a pinko do

[taipan]

I like the way MS puts the article in the spoiler - makes it far less annoying.



By far the most useful thing I have seen a pinko do

So now you have morphed from Pete into Skully.

[Paul Keating]

Skully

What about waste?

Is that the Five billion per year we waste on LJH's capitulation to fuel excise?

[skully]

Oh dear. Ponts still trying justify the ineptness of the current government by regurgitating his version of history. Deary me, mate, that is truly pathetic. So I take it you believe everything Gillard has done and said while in Govt is sacrosanct. Seems only 28% of the population agree with you.

Your anger each time someone takes a dig at the Vulture and her useless cronies is just embarrassing, man. You rarely defend the stoopid Pinkos with a rational argument, instead harking back to the LJH era with a childish "oh LJH did this, LJH did that, therefore what the Pinkos are doing must be OK". Sad, sad stuff, mate and hardly becoming of an allegedly smart and educated banking executive.

And you're the one who always demands "and back it up with proof and properly justify your stance".

Must try harder. Loosen those tightly wound strings and settle down, ay. But I guess the highly strung brothers (yes, you know who you are) are always good for a laugh.

[Red]

Er, and what is the Vulture doing for you? You are moaning about what a possible future govt might do when the current one wasted money on Pink Batts and $4 million 4 square metre school canteens? FMD.

There was nothing wrong in principle with the pbs, it was the only the execution which muddied the waters. Cowboys got involved as they invariabky do when a quick buck is there to be made. And principals will attest to the fact that they have worthwhile buildings as a result of the building projects. It must hurt Mr.Rabbit and his mates that our economy has been the shining light of the western landscape despite the ALP being touted as bad economic managers. And only ALP treasurers have won awards. His only campaigning methodology is fear and the economy has remained strong despite his fear-mongering.

The only thing he believes in is an Australia led by him. What a narrow and horrifying vision!!!

[skully]

Er, have I said there was anything wrong "in principle"? I clearly said the lack of accountability and waste was simply staggering. Garrett's performance during and after the debacle was a think of true comedy.

At no point have I argued that the economy didn't need stimulus, but the way the pinkos went about blowing $50 Billion and killing a few apprentice sparkies along the way was a Federal crime.

And I can't wait to see the Pinkos in opposition and see how "positive" and non-fear campaign their approach will be. Ponts will just say "well that's what Abbott did - nyer, nyer". FMD, it's the Opposition's job to put the heat on the Govt, and clearly Abbott is doing a brilliant job. You lot never stop talking about it.

[bodyline]

The indefinite postponement of New Zealand's Emissions Trading Scheme has added pressure on the Australian Government to dump its two-day-old carbon pricing regime.
Conservative New Zealand Prime Minister John Key announced yesterday his scheme would be deferred because he was "not prepared to sacrifice jobs in a weak international environment" when other countries were moving slowly on climate change measures.
The New Zealand and Australian emission abatement schemes are quite different, as are the two economies.
But Liberal environment spokesman Greg Hunt today said Prime Minister Julia Gillard had to listen to a warning from our closest neighbour.
"The Prime Minister has been very keen to compare her carbon tax with the New Zealand ETS. She now needs to heed the lessons learnt by New Zealand and not embark on a job threatening tax here in Australia which doesn't actually do the job," Mr Hunt said.
"This comes against a background where the New Zealand Prime Minister has made it clear that the cost of the Australian carbon tax is already 3.5 times the cost per head of what New Zealand is doing. And that's before the carbon tax starts to increase each year, every year, forever."
His colleague, Opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey, today said he believed Labor, in Opposition after the next election, would help a Coalition government get through legislation demolishing carbon pricing.
"I think Labor will be mugged by the reality of a significant election defeat. Therefore they will facilitate the passage of the carbon tax repeal through the Parliament," Mr Hockey told reporters.
He called carbon pricing a "slow-burn tax, an embedded tax" which would have to be paid on occasions.
"It's embedded in the repairs of refrigerators, but only when you have to repair the refrigerators, and in the gasses when you have to re-gas your refrigerators, freezers," he said.
However, Climate Change Minister Greg Combet rejected claims the carbon price on refrigerants would be a major burden on shops, as the Opposition has claimed.
Mr Combet said synthetic greenhouse gases, such as those used in refrigeration, were generally used in small quantities but had an extremely potent effect on the atmosphere.
That was why the Howard Government brought the synthetic greenhouse gases into the regulatory regime for ozone in 2003. This Government's clean energy legislative package increased the fees applied to those gases from July 1 this year.
"This will provide an increased incentive to adopt more environmentally-friendly alternatives, improve efforts to minimise leaks and to recover and recycle synthetic greenhouse gases," Mr Combet said.
"Use of refrigerants in consumer products is generally small, such as around 150 grams in a domestic fridge or around 600 grams in a car air conditioner.
"For example, the price of a domestic refrigerator would increase by around $4 as a result of the equivalent carbon price. All of these cost impacts are accounted for in the Government's Household Assistance Package."

[skully]

Can't wait for Ponts to post a scan of his next $200 quarterly power bill.

[Mick Sawyer]

At no point have I argued that the economy didn't need stimulus, but the way the pinkos went about blowing $50 Billion and killing a few apprentice sparkies along the way was a Federal crime.

Mate, you simply cannot have it both ways; stimulus & blowing.

The installation death rate was no higher during the pbs than at any other time.

[bodyline]

Can't wait for Ponts to post a scan of his next $200 quarterly power bill.

It will be photoshopped.

[skully]

Here's one for Red

"Labor’s focus on Whyalla over the weekend was a political mistake. It was all of a piece with its political messaging on so many issues. The government is so obsessed with Tony Abbott that it forgets what it wants to communicate to the mainstream voters that it needs to win over. Labor can’t seem to think outside of the insiders’ mindset within the corridors of parliament house – where point-scoring and mockery of your political opponents is the flavour of the day. It must learn to think about what arguments real people in the suburbs might find persuasive"

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Lighten up, my Pinko brethren and stop obsessing about Tony Abbott.

[Mick Sawyer]

I like the way MS puts the article in the spoiler - makes it far less annoying.
By far the most useful thing I have seen a pinko do

Cheers & didn't a recent Qld Treasurer ensure your 2011 bonus was triple what you're worth?

[skully]

At no point have I argued that the economy didn't need stimulus, but the way the pinkos went about blowing $50 Billion and killing a few apprentice sparkies along the way was a Federal crime.

Mate, you simply cannot have it both ways; stimulus & blowing.

The installation death rate was no higher during the pbs than at any other time.

Sorry Mick, that's utter rubbish. The Pinkos were in such a hurry to splash the cash they put no checks and balances in place. If they had've, we wouldn't be having this debate.

[skully]

Can't wait for Ponts to post a scan of his next $200 quarterly power bill.

It will be photoshopped.

Methinks Ponts actually has a monthly power bill but his Chief only shows him every third one.

[Red]

If the polluters move to clean energy and create new jobs in the process they won't even be punished by carbon pricing.

What Hockey and co. don't seem to realise is that if the polluters keep polluting and we do nothing about it out of fear of electoral backlash and short-term price increases, we won't have to worry about arguing whether to tax or not to tax.

Without a planet an economy becomes redundant and the latest scientific data on the ringing alarm bells is scary to say the least.

It's also not true to say that most countries are not doing anything about mending their ways.

According to an expert on ABC radio yesterday, India is still a massive problem but China has got its act together and Europe has been heading in the right direction for some time.

Australia is the largest per capita polluter in the world. We need a price on carbon but the saddest thing was that the govt. compensated people and industry for polluting. This entrenches the belieft that they should be allow to wreck the planet with impunity.

Another elephant in the room is overpopulation yet dickhead Costello introduced an effing baby bonus. IIRC - 'One for mum, one for dad and one for the country'. As if anybody is altruistic enough to have one for the effing country. People will breed if they really want to regardless of handouts. Handouts only increase the chances of people's breeding adding to the social problems of the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mick Sawyer]

I wonder who thought it would be a good idea?

The idea might work somewhere sometime, but never with Craig Emerson playing the central character.

[Mick Sawyer]

Sorry Mick, that's utter rubbish. The Pinkos were in such a hurry to splash the cash they put no checks and balances in place. If they had've, we wouldn't be having this debate.

Is there anything I've written in the last hour about the critical need for haste that you've paused to consider?

[Paul Keating]

Skully

You are constantly saying the ALP waste money. Fine you can say this.

I am merely pointing out that it works both ways. Your position is that the Libs can do no wrong. I am merely pointing out that the Libs waste money too.

[taipan]

So who is in the pinko pack?

[Mick Sawyer]

It's also not true to say that most countries are not doing anything about mending their ways.

I'd love to hear Abbott questioned about China's market based ETS they're running in two major provinces.

[skully]

If the polluters move to clean energy and create new jobs in the process they won't even be punished by carbon pricing.

What Hockey and co. don't seem to realise is that if the polluters keep polluting and we do nothing about it out of fear of electoral backlash and short-term price increases, we won't have to worry about arguing whether to tax or not to tax.

Without a planet an economy becomes redundant and the latest scientific data on the ringing alarm bells is scary to say the least.

It's also not true to say that most countries are not doing anything about mending their ways.

According to an expert on ABC radio yesterday, India is still a massive problem but China has got its act together and Europe has been heading in the right direction for some time.

Australia is the largest per capita polluter in the world. We need a price on carbon but the saddest thing was that the govt. compensated people and industry for polluting. This entrenches the belieft that they should be allow to wreck the planet with impunity.

Another elephant in the room is overpopulation yet dickhead Costello introduced an effing baby bonus. IIRC - 'One for mum, one for dad and one for the country'. As if anybody is altruistic enough to have one for the effing country. People will breed if they really want to regardless of handouts. Handouts only increase the chances of people's breeding adding to the social problems of the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, are you sure you are not a Green voter, Red? What a massive pile of bulltwang that is.

This from a Harvard paper.

"Updated projections for China suggest that continued growth in developing-country emissions could put stabilization targets effectively out of reach within the next 10 to 20 years, regardless of what wealthier countries do. By as early as 2020 or 2030, depending on the stabilization target chosen, BAU emissions from developing countries alone—even with zero contribution
from developed (so-called “Annex B”) countries—could exceed the maximum consistent with a reasonable trajectory for achieving CO2 stabilization."

Getting under control in China?? No,sorry, not even close. As I've said many times, little ol' Aus is a drop in the bucketand nothing we do will make a jot of difference toworld emissions. The Carbon Tax is a tax to achieve nothing and it could well jeopadise many manufacturing jobs in high carbon producing industries. The first person to mention Whyalla was AWU's Wayne Hanson (here)

[G.Wood]

I like the way MS puts the article in the spoiler - makes it far less annoying.
By far the most useful thing I have seen a pinko do

Cheers & didn't a recent Qld Treasurer ensure your 2011 bonus was triple what you're worth?

Aye, but that only just covered the Stilnox that made being up the bearable

[Mick Sawyer]

So who is in the pinko pack?

The only pinko I can see here is horrie & I'd bet he'd prefer to be labelled, cerise.

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