Re: Michael Clarke is a toxic piece of shit

by Red Sat 08 Aug 2015, 15:25

Growler wrote:
Red wrote:Stars are paying a lot of money for someone who does not excel in that format.

It has been reported recently that he has been feuding with Rod Marsh for a year or so. At the beginning of last summer, he seemed headed for the outer but the death of Phil Hughes changed all that.

He was an excellent batsman at his apogee but a chunk of his purple patch was also against an Indian team whose pie chuckers held up the white flag quite early on the flat pitches of Sydney and Adelaide. They even temporarily revived a struggling Punter's career. There will be many who probably won't rate Clarke as highly as Punter and Steve Waugh among the modern test captains. He has always found it difficult batting higher than his favourite number five spot.

That's no real surprise though Red -and nothing to do with Pups captaincy credentials (or lack of).

Lets be honest, you or me could have captained many of SRW or RTPs teams. They skippered some of the greatest XIs in the history of Australian - nay world - cricket. With the best will in the world, neither of the other two would lead the current XI to the kind of domination they once had ..... the current squad are simply not as good as those retired in the last 10-12 years.

Well agree with that. Interestingly though for all his funky field placings and acknowledgement as a great tactician, he still has lost quite a few series. History may align this with the available personnel but this fact is sometimes lost among the laudatory claims made of Clarke as a skipper. As has been alluded to above, maybe his best achievement was the win against SA on their shores, but no other Aussie captain post-isolation has lost to them away, though Clarke has drawn with them over there.

by PeterCS Sat 08 Aug 2015, 18:21

Don't you think there was some pressure, S?

Aussie selectors have never been noted for sentimental attachments. Sometimes ruthlessly so. (Lawry.)

by beamer Sat 08 Aug 2015, 18:23

Yet a lot of people seemingly wanted them to make the sentimental call regarding Haddin.

by Big Dog Sat 08 Aug 2015, 22:57

Henry wrote:
Fred Nerk wrote:Big hint of 'up yours' there....Fox (who will always choose the more conflict-laden of two possible interpretations) suggesting strongly this announcement was not quite all Michael's own work...

Well surely they are right. There's no way Clarke would have survived this if he'd decided to dig his heels in. They've given him a chance to bow out gracefully and he's taken it.

Will be interesting if he hits a double hundred at the Oval, though.

Being a dead rubber game i'd expect Warner at least to hit a double ton. He always saves his best for when it doesnt matter.

by Henry Sun 09 Aug 2015, 01:59

And a recall for Twatson? You'd bet on him to make a big score as well. Start of a new era....

by Nath Sun 09 Aug 2015, 03:55

Is he in the all-time top 10 Aussie batsmen?

by Paul Keating Sun 09 Aug 2015, 04:14

Nath wrote:Is he in the all-time top 10 Aussie batsmen?

Hell no!

by Fred Nerk Sun 09 Aug 2015, 05:13

I put him on the fringe of the ATG Aus 3rd XI earlier....which would make him borderline top 20 among the batsmen. The following were unarguably better: Bradman, Ponsford, Ponting, G Chappell, I Chappell, McCabe, McCartney, Simpson, Border, S Waugh, Boon, Walters, probably others I didn't call to mind in the two minutes it took to type this, and yet more that could be argued over. Top 10: not in a million years.

by Henry Sun 09 Aug 2015, 05:20

The difference between his batting average at home and abroad is far too high- About 20 runs.

by Brass Monkey Sun 09 Aug 2015, 08:26

People keep harping on about Clarke not being loved by the Australian public. Why is that? Jarrod Kimber just did a piece of it, I just want to hear some fb Aussies thoughts on him

by taipan Sun 09 Aug 2015, 08:42

Brass Monkey wrote:People keep harping on about Clarke not being loved by the Australian public. Why is that? Jarrod Kimber just did a piece of it, I just want to hear some fb Aussies thoughts on him

Interesting article.

by Brass Monkey Sun 09 Aug 2015, 08:44

taipan wrote:
Brass Monkey wrote:People keep harping on about Clarke not being loved by the Australian public. Why is that? Jarrod Kimber just did a piece of it, I just want to hear some fb Aussies thoughts on him

Interesting article.

Yeah I just thought it was quite strange. Tried to think of an English equivalent

by taipan Sun 09 Aug 2015, 08:55

Brass Monkey wrote:
taipan wrote:
Brass Monkey wrote:People keep harping on about Clarke not being loved by the Australian public. Why is that? Jarrod Kimber just did a piece of it, I just want to hear some fb Aussies thoughts on him

Interesting article.

Yeah I just thought it was quite strange. Tried to think of an English equivalent

The SA equivalent would be Graeme Smith.

by taipan Sun 09 Aug 2015, 08:55

Brass Monkey wrote:
taipan wrote:
Brass Monkey wrote:People keep harping on about Clarke not being loved by the Australian public. Why is that? Jarrod Kimber just did a piece of it, I just want to hear some fb Aussies thoughts on him

Interesting article.

Yeah I just thought it was quite strange. Tried to think of an English equivalent

The SA equivalent would be Graeme Smith.

by lardbucket Sun 09 Aug 2015, 08:59

Brass Monkey wrote:People keep harping on about Clarke not being loved by the Australian public. Why is that? Jarrod Kimber just did a piece of it, I just want to hear some fb Aussies thoughts on him

So self-absorbed ... that's never liked.

by Brass Monkey Sun 09 Aug 2015, 09:07

From a distance, he's always seemed quite an affable type - but obviously media stories tell it differently

by lardbucket Sun 09 Aug 2015, 09:09

Prickly, abrasive, 'look at me'. Marginalised rivals, sidelined challengers.

Wait for his Nein commentary - it will all be chappelli style "in my day' ...

by Brass Monkey Sun 09 Aug 2015, 09:13

cheers - those few words go much further to explaining why he's not liked than the whole Kimber article

by Ethics? The Gall! Sun 09 Aug 2015, 09:30

lardbucket wrote:
Brass Monkey wrote:People keep harping on about Clarke not being loved by the Australian public. Why is that? Jarrod Kimber just did a piece of it, I just want to hear some fb Aussies thoughts on him
So self-absorbed ... that's never liked.

he gives the impression of having as big a sense of entitlement as most liberal politicians. its not necessarily so but thats how he comes across

by Ethics? The Gall! Sun 31 Jan 2016, 05:43

seems it still isnt safe to get back in to the ****** water

link

by Basil Sun 31 Jan 2016, 10:53

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:seems it still isnt safe to get back in to the ****** water

link

Nothing to do with the potential financial rewards - oh no.

by Nath Sun 31 Jan 2016, 11:17

why would you pick a player whose fitness is game-by-game, and who isn't really a T20 player?

by horace Sun 31 Jan 2016, 11:36

Wrong thread

by Henry Sun 31 Jan 2016, 14:22

Even as a young man, he was crap at T20. What an outrageous ego this guy has. Awkwardly, no one seems to be applauding his decision to come out of retirement.

by lardbucket Mon 01 Feb 2016, 07:52

It's like a turd that you just can't flush.

The floater.

Definitely not a no-wiper ...

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