ICC World Twenty20, 2009 - Group B

Dello wrote:Smart thinking by England: get knocked out of the T20s early, leaves more time to prepare for the first Test against Australia.

Might I suggest they use that preparation time learning how to execute run outs and backing up the stumps?

Spastics.

We did that against NZ on their last tour here too didn't we? Swann I think.

Anyhow - KP can wrap himself up in cotton wool now for t'Ashes.

DJ_Smerk wrote:We're finished in this tournament. We should drop all test players from the T20 squad (to keep them fit for The Ashes) and play a young side.

Well, we can't replace players at this stage... that would mean playing less than 11 men against Pakistan. Although we only played three today, so it won't make that much difference...

beamer wrote:

Dello wrote:Smart thinking by England: get knocked out of the T20s early, leaves more time to prepare for the first Test against Australia.

Might I suggest they use that preparation time learning how to execute run outs and backing up the stumps?

Spastics.

Well, I suppose one thing is that not too many of the players who will be left scarred by this will be likely to feature in the Ashes... Broad, Collingwood, perhaps Sidebottom, that's about it, the other first choice Test players Anderson and Bopara were two of the three who actually turned up. Still going to have a knock-on impact on the whole England setup though, even for those not involved in this.

Bit OTT. Doubt anyone will be "scarred" by anything. Any old shite can win a T20 on their day. Even Leicester. Supposedly that's the beauty of it.

Supposedly.

PeterCS wrote:

Whereas fair play to the Dutch. In true underdog style, with nothing to lose, they had a baseball bash at it, and it came off.

Aye, fair play to the reefer smokers. Showed more balls & will than the West Indies did on their whole tour. Maybe we should have invited them for a couple of tests?

I'd drop Sid for Swann in the next game.


Carry on with Rashid though, hopefully some better weather will greet him in the contest against Pakistan.

England still have a chance if they beat Pakistan on sunday

JKLever wrote:

Dello wrote:Smart thinking by England: get knocked out of the T20s early, leaves more time to prepare for the first Test against Australia.

Might I suggest they use that preparation time learning how to execute run outs and backing up the stumps?

Spastics.

We did that against NZ on their last tour here too didn't we? Swann I think.

Yes. That was retarded, as it was the difference between a tie and a loss. Broad's f*ck up was doubly imbecilic as England were still a shot at winning if it went to a "super over".

Once again, England's "elite" sportsmen unable to think on their feet under pressure...

Afridi should be licking his lips at the prospect of some easy English wickets.

Well played Holland - deserving winners.

But fark me sideways! Key at six? WTF did that one come from? I'm not a huge fan of Maskyouranus, but who would you rather have coming in with two or three overs to go.

And that round-the-wicket-for-the-last-over bollocks has been found out too.

We need snookers to get through to the super 8 from here.

if england beat pakistan they are almost assured of a place. was a very close loss, so netherlands will end up with a poorer run-rate if they lose to pak. if the dutch win again then england go through as well

Dello wrote:

JKLever wrote:

Dello wrote:Smart thinking by England: get knocked out of the T20s early, leaves more time to prepare for the first Test against Australia.

Might I suggest they use that preparation time learning how to execute run outs and backing up the stumps?

Spastics.

We did that against NZ on their last tour here too didn't we? Swann I think.

Yes. That was retarded, as it was the difference between a tie and a loss. Broad's f*ck up was doubly imbecilic as England were still a shot at winning if it went to a "super over".

Once again, England's "elite" sportsmen unable to think on their feet under pressure...

Also, I think Collingwood captained that shambles of a fielding effort too.

Just sayin'...

I just hope the Netherlands beat Pakistan and then eventually go on to beat India/SAF or Australia.

Collingwood is a desperate Kapitan...

Are England taking the positives from this game?

We must have been bad - Nick Knight was spitting bullets.

NK was swearing live on air?


I thought he was a mild mannered church boy?

Flower not available for comment

Robert Key sat on him.

Oh give over Smerky, Rashid was crap today. He's one of the most over-rated cricketers in England, and that's saying something in a country full of over-rated cricketers. Sidebottom may not have been incisive and brilliant today but he gave his captain some control. Rashid got tonked all over the place and was the worst bowler in a collection of poor bowlers. People are obsessed with the letters 'lb' next to his name, David Lloyd's attitude summed it up. He didn't bowl a consistent line, he wasn't a wicket-taking threat, he didn't turn the ball any farther than Graeme Swann would have done. He might turn into a very good player but he's nowhere near an international player yet.

As for England, their team is rubbish. Where are the hitters? Who's the finisher? Which bowlers can get you 1-25 on a regular basis? Broad and Anderson go at 8s in Twenty20s. How are they going to help you do a job? The fielding was atrocious. The squad for the tournament was atrocious. How can you have Collingwood, Morgan and Foster at 5, 6 and 7? I think I could pick a better team than this one*. There's no power, no innovation. Just nurdly English cricketers. Holland came out and whacked every ball. Ugly, but simple and effective. If England could have fielded they'd have thrashed 'em, but we played it like it was a friendly and only seemed to wake up after about twelve overs realising we were tied to the train-tracks.

The only positive I can think of is that it wipes that self-congratulatory smile off Team Flower's face. It's harder to beat a team when they're actually trying to win, isn't it...

...c*nt.

* - Davies, Denly, Bopara, Shah, Wright, Collingwood, Patel, Swann, Mascarenhas, Sidebottom/Broad, Anderson.

Worryingly, Colly thought we scored enough runs

Where I come from, if the oppo score more than you, they win.

Well I won a ton, layed England at 1.02 after the first dutchie over.

I'd rather I hadn't though...

Well done to the Poms for taking the game to the last ball ....

JKLever wrote:Well I won a ton, layed England at 1.02 after the first dutchie over.

I'd rather I hadn't though...

I'm glad someone profited from this fecking shambles

Bring back Maddy, Snape and Schofield, all is forgiven.

Seriously though, a randomly selected bunch of county journeymen would have done a better job than England's supposed best eleven in this match.

Where was Napier?