England v Pakistan, 4th Test, Lord's, Aug 26-30, 2010

How many fathers & sons have made Test centuries other than the Broads?

Pataudis did (although for separate countries)
Armanaths?
Nazar Mohammed & Mudassar Nazar?
???

Jesus, I had to go out today and sadly looks as though I've missed a cracker. Fantastic stuff from Broad, seriously tough runs.

Hanif & Shoaib Mohammed
Manjrekars
Dave & Dudley Nourse.
Mankads missed it by 3 - Ashok's HS 97.

346/7 - end of day 2. Fantastic day's cricket.

Bad Pakistan were back in the evening session - they were as poor as they had been brilliant this morning.

I'm in the same boat as Vilks, busy atm and only just seen the score. Thought 346-7 was middling until I saw England were 102-7!!!

WTF happened earlier in the day, did the sun just come out & pitch get easier?

KP got himself out - apart from that it was superb bowling from Amir. Pakistan don't appear to know how to retrench when the initiative is taken from then - some very odd fields were set by Butt, and the fielding standards dropped off a cliff.

Highest score by an England number 9 I think. Put him at 4 for the Ashes - Trott and Bell to open, Prior at 3...

Seriously though I think a couple of heads have to roll among the established batsmen. We can't carry this many players with so little form or confidence. Unless they show something in the one-day series there needs to be changes - for those who say you can't throw untried debutants into the heat of an Ashes battle, remember Trott last year?

The things is there are extenuating circumstances as Bob Willis said last night - ever since this series started all the conditions have been bowler friendly and Pakistan have some damn fine bowlers.

I've never known such consistently bowling dominated test match conditions.

Yeah, I guess this series is something very out of the ordinary - conditions and the quality of bowling compared to batting have clearly been the major factor, but the more it goes on like this the less confidence the batsmen have, and you sense most of the top order on both sides would get themselves out for single figure scores on a Sri Lankan road against a county second XI attack right now. Lower order batsmen have outscored a number of the specialists which just shows what the pressure can do, and now they are all looking over their shoulders in terms of keeping their places.

Having just seen the highlights, it seems Trott & Broad put on at least 150 of their partnership in tricky conditions so it wasn't as if the sun came out and it was a different game altogether.

Paksters lost the plot a bit in the field.

Broad above Swanny again for me. Broad has a better defensive technique and it allows Swanneee the freedom to just play the way he wants and has been succesful at doing.

So what's a par score then? I'd say we need another 70/80 runs.

beamer wrote:Highest score by an England number 9 I think.

Yep. Just surpassed Gubby Allen's 122 against the Kiwis on the same ground in 1931. Bit of a way to go to beat the overall record for a No.9 which is 173 by Ian Smith for the Kiwis against India in Auckland in February 1990. On the way he might have a go at surpassing his dad's Test HS which is 162 v. Australia at the Waca in November 1986. He has already passed all but one of his dad's 6 centuries, none of which were made in a domestic Test.

This may be a woof but Trott and Broad only need 3 runs to pass Ames & Allen's 246 for the 8th wicket made against NZ in 1931 - a record for England in all Tests and a record in Lord's Tests for all countries. It is also the ground record for all first-class games.

The 1931 match, which was drawn, was also notable for marking Douglas Jardine's debut as England captain.

Basil wrote:So what's a par score then? I'd say we need another 70/80 runs.

Not sure what this Pakistan batting line-up has in it. Are they capable of 400 plus? MoYo certainly makes it look more solid but they would need a big hundred from him I think.

Given that we lost the best part of a day to rain, if it does turn into a reasonably high scoring match then the draw comes back into play.

Basil wrote:So what's a par score then? I'd say we need another 70/80 runs.

Well you know that Lords can be flat if its a fine day, so i'd say 400 - we may be blown away once this partnership is broken so 50/50 if we can get that.

But whatever we get now keeps us in the game, and if there is anything remotely like half decent bowling conditions Pakistan are not going to pass it easily.

To be hoenst at 102-7 I'd have bitten your hand off if you offered 250.

Holy Moley!!! Hit the hay early last night just after lunch thinking much like vilky, a score of 200 would be an OK effort for Engulund. But 7-346!!! Holy sh!t, what a comeback!!

Obviously awesome work from Trott and Stuey Broad. Congrats to both of them.

The wicket was clearly pretty flat but without the overhead conditions, the Paksters lost their venom pretty quickly.

It's the summer of big 8th wicket stands.

Actually, just seen some highlights on Foxsports News and it looked like it was overcast for most of the day.

So the ball just stopped swinging? The Paksters bowled rubbish? The Poms were just brilliant? All of the above?

Allan D wrote:

beamer wrote:Highest score by an England number 9 I think.

Yep. Just surpassed Gubby Allen's 122 against the Kiwis on the same ground in 1931. Bit of a way to go to beat the overall record for a No.9 which is 173 by Ian Smith for the Kiwis against India in Auckland in February 1990. On the way he might have a go at surpassing his dad's Test HS which is 162 v. Australia at the Waca in November 1986. He has already passed all but one of his dad's 6 centuries, none of which were made in a domestic Test.

This may be a woof but Trott and Broad only need 3 runs to pass Ames & Allen's 246 for the 8th wicket made against NZ in 1931 - a record for England in all Tests and a record in Lord's Tests for all countries. It is also the ground record for all first-class games.

The 1931 match, which was drawn, was also notable for marking Douglas Jardine's debut as England captain.

Wow, AD. It's been a stato's dream this summer. Records everywhere.

The grouseness of Test Cricket, ay.

Should Kev go to the States and join, say, the NY Yankees? He can be the permanent superstar of the show and earn fame and oodles of money there ...


Seriously though, he has never been much of a team player, worse still, tends to be disruptive in his attitudes, and always seems to be uneasy with anyone else he feels might challenge or eclipse him (Flintoff, now Trott, in particular) but his many runs made up for it ...

When will be able to:

a) get back into some form and/or
b) grow up a bit, and at least accept he is part of a team? Still pouting about losing the captaincy for example (see interview) is not good enough at this stage.

Exile him to lowly Middlesex for a couple of matches, I say.


By comparison, Colly was a shade unlucky with his call, but with his run of evil form, he finally needs to take steps to sort a basic technique out. At least he has judgment and a bit of nous.

Morgan's honeymoon clearly seems to be over ... I hope he learns to adapt.


Well done to Trott, Broad, and to an extent Prior for setting up a first small partnership of resistance with Trott.

Aamer would seem to have a very bright future ahead of him. Could he not discover an English grandparent?

skully wrote:Actually, just seen some highlights on Foxsports News and it looked like it was overcast for most of the day.

So the ball just stopped swinging? The Paksters bowled rubbish? The Poms were just brilliant? All of the above?

No Skulls - you dreamt it all. There was no play all day, rained off.

Hehehe. Cheers Petey. For a moment there I had images of Trott (and Broad) smashing us all over the park come the 10-11 Ashes. Oh wait...

Aggers predictably touting Broad for the number 7 slot having not made a run for nigh on 12 months prior to the Oval.

Muppet.

skully wrote:Actually, just seen some highlights on Foxsports News and it looked like it was overcast for most of the day.

So the ball just stopped swinging? The Paksters bowled rubbish? The Poms were just brilliant? All of the above?

I only saw the extended highlights, but it seemed like England rode their luck a little and Paksters weren't quite as ruthless as they were in the morning. Broad lifted a few into the air that all dropped safe and there were a few edges that didn't carry or weren't caught. Don't recall any absolute sitters missed though.

Best FTB bowler ton since Agarkar?

skully wrote:

Allan D wrote:

beamer wrote:Highest score by an England number 9 I think.

Yep. Just surpassed Gubby Allen's 122 against the Kiwis on the same ground in 1931. Bit of a way to go to beat the overall record for a No.9 which is 173 by Ian Smith for the Kiwis against India in Auckland in February 1990. On the way he might have a go at surpassing his dad's Test HS which is 162 v. Australia at the Waca in November 1986. He has already passed all but one of his dad's 6 centuries, none of which were made in a domestic Test.

This may be a woof but Trott and Broad only need 3 runs to pass Ames & Allen's 246 for the 8th wicket made against NZ in 1931 - a record for England in all Tests and a record in Lord's Tests for all countries. It is also the ground record for all first-class games.

The 1931 match, which was drawn, was also notable for marking Douglas Jardine's debut as England captain.

Wow, AD. It's been a stato's dream this summer. Records everywhere.

The grouseness of Test Cricket, ay.

Broad is also in a rare group of players who have made their maiden fc hundred in a Test match (Broad's previous HS was 91* for Leicestershire against Derbyshire at Grace Road in 2007). Not quite sure who they all are but I know Billy Griffith made 140 against the Windies at Port-of-Spain in 1948 in his first Test innings (still a unique achievement, I think) and Jack Russell did when he made 128* against Oz at Old Trafford in 1989 (the only one other than Broad to do so for England at home). According to the late Bill Frindall Harry Wood and A.J.L.Hill also achieved this feat for England making Broad the 5th player to do so for England, assuming there are no others between Russell and Broad.