Current overrated XI

Henry wrote:What's Bevan's stats got to do with it? The fact is, he was an ODI great, but his batting (ignore the 6 month period when he was Australia's second best spinner) wasn't up to it at test level. I think it will be the same with Symonds.

Agree, Bevan was found out at test level, especially against the short ball.

tac wrote:

Henry wrote:What's Bevan's stats got to do with it? The fact is, he was an ODI great, but his batting (ignore the 6 month period when he was Australia's second best spinner) wasn't up to it at test level. I think it will be the same with Symonds.

Ummm, Roy has already surpassed Bevo by quite a way and will only continue to improve . . ..

Not really. He's made a couple of 100's in an era of weaker bowling than what Bevan faced.

Red wrote:Well Steyn has the opportunity to perform against us downunder this summer. His last visit to our shores was inglorious so if we compare form in Australia to date Sharma is ahead.

Which tour was this?

Henry wrote:

tac wrote:

Henry wrote:What's Bevan's stats got to do with it? The fact is, he was an ODI great, but his batting (ignore the 6 month period when he was Australia's second best spinner) wasn't up to it at test level. I think it will be the same with Symonds.

Ummm, Roy has already surpassed Bevo by quite a way and will only continue to improve . . ..

Not really. He's made a couple of 100's in an era of weaker bowling than what Bevan faced.

He avergaes 12 runs an innings more and his average has continued to rise pretty much every test he's played . . .

taipan wrote:

Red wrote:Well Steyn has the opportunity to perform against us downunder this summer. His last visit to our shores was inglorious so if we compare form in Australia to date Sharma is ahead.

Which tour was this?

He came down for the ODIs. Was so poor they left him on the sidelines most of the time.

tac wrote:

Henry wrote:

tac wrote:

Henry wrote:What's Bevan's stats got to do with it? The fact is, he was an ODI great, but his batting (ignore the 6 month period when he was Australia's second best spinner) wasn't up to it at test level. I think it will be the same with Symonds.

Ummm, Roy has already surpassed Bevo by quite a way and will only continue to improve . . ..

Not really. He's made a couple of 100's in an era of weaker bowling than what Bevan faced.

He avergaes 12 runs an innings more and his average has continued to rise pretty much every test he's played . . .

Only really since that 150 against England. Before that it hovered around the 20 or under mark.

South Africa next summer will be the big test for Symonds. I suspect their pace attack will work him over, but let's see....

Red wrote:

tac wrote:

Henry wrote:

tac wrote:

Henry wrote:What's Bevan's stats got to do with it? The fact is, he was an ODI great, but his batting (ignore the 6 month period when he was Australia's second best spinner) wasn't up to it at test level. I think it will be the same with Symonds.

Ummm, Roy has already surpassed Bevo by quite a way and will only continue to improve . . ..

Not really. He's made a couple of 100's in an era of weaker bowling than what Bevan faced.

He avergaes 12 runs an innings more and his average has continued to rise pretty much every test he's played . . .

Only really since that 150 against England. Before that it hovered around the 20 or under mark.

For his first 5-6 tests? And your point is?

Red, Symonds stats by year . . . notice a progression?

Code:

year 2004  2 4 0 53 24 13.25 119 44.53 0 0 1 6 0 
year 2005  4 6 0 120 72 20.00 192 62.50 0 1 1 12 6 
year 2006  6 8 0 297 156 37.12 444 66.89 1 1 0 26 8 
year 2007  4 5 2 230 53* 76.66 321 71.65 0 2 0 26 3 
year 2008  3 5 1 331 162* 82.75 473 69.97 1 2 0 38 4


Red wrote:

taipan wrote:

Red wrote:Well Steyn has the opportunity to perform against us downunder this summer. His last visit to our shores was inglorious so if we compare form in Australia to date Sharma is ahead.

Which tour was this?

He came down for the ODIs. Was so poor they left him on the sidelines most of the time.

And what has that to do with his test form over the last couple of years?

Any second now you will start chuntering about his T20 form.

If you want to debate at least compare apples with apples.

Red wrote:

He came down for the ODIs. Was so poor they left him on the sidelines most of the time.

TBH, only a twat would try and highlight some gash ODI series as an allusion to his likely Test capability... especially as it's obviously his weaker suit and it doesn't take an Aussie to pummel him. Oh, it was you Red.

taipan wrote:A lot of the Indians here have been rating him over Steyn

That would be the same ones who think Tendulkar is better than Lara

embee wrote:

taipan wrote:A lot of the Indians here have been rating him over Steyn

That would be the same ones who think Tendulkar is better than Lara

Oooh, there's a good topic for a thread . . .

Red wrote:

tac wrote:

Henry wrote:

tac wrote:

Henry wrote:What's Bevan's stats got to do with it? The fact is, he was an ODI great, but his batting (ignore the 6 month period when he was Australia's second best spinner) wasn't up to it at test level. I think it will be the same with Symonds.

Ummm, Roy has already surpassed Bevo by quite a way and will only continue to improve . . ..

Not really. He's made a couple of 100's in an era of weaker bowling than what Bevan faced.

He avergaes 12 runs an innings more and his average has continued to rise pretty much every test he's played . . .

Only really since that 150 against England. Before that it hovered around the 20 or under mark.

Since his comeback at Perth he has averaged 75 with the bat and 27 with the ball. With both his hundreds coming when Australia were in trouble and putting in a match winning bowling effort.

taipan wrote:A lot of the Indians here have been rating him over Steyn

Who has?

Yeah, I was thinking that myself.

Also just remembered - get Broad out of there and put Malinga in.

taipan wrote:

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:

Red wrote:Well Steyn has the opportunity to perform against us downunder this summer. His last visit to our shores was inglorious so if we compare form in Australia to date Sharma is ahead.

Which tour was this?

He came down for the ODIs. Was so poor they left him on the sidelines most of the time.

And what has that to do with his test form over the last couple of years?

Any second now you will start chuntering about his T20 form.

If you want to debate at least compare apples with apples.

As I said, the summer here will be his biggest test. And it's up to Symonds to keep his graph going north if he wants to be remembered as a very good test player. Then he has to maintain a high average.

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:

Red wrote:Well Steyn has the opportunity to perform against us downunder this summer. His last visit to our shores was inglorious so if we compare form in Australia to date Sharma is ahead.

Which tour was this?

He came down for the ODIs. Was so poor they left him on the sidelines most of the time.

And what has that to do with his test form over the last couple of years?

Any second now you will start chuntering about his T20 form.

If you want to debate at least compare apples with apples.

As I said, the summer here will be his biggest test. And it's up to Symonds to keep his graph going north if he wants to be remembered as a very good test player. Then he has to maintain a high average.

That's unheard of . . . you need a high average to be considered a very good test player?

Yeah but that doesn't count because Warnie had a sore toe that day.

Jebus, this thread has some serious horsesh!t for arguments in it.

Skull I guess that's what's almost bound to happen whenever there's more than one poster on with their copy of '101 Fun Ways To Bullsh1t With A Statsguru Filter' close handy and too much time on their hands.

Lara Lara Laughs wrote:Would throw Laxman, Sehwag in there.

VVS and Sehwag overrated? How so?

Sehwag averages close to 52 in test cricket, at a s/r of close to 77. And has scored in each test playing nation. Was a converted opener if you forget. Has a very good record against Aus and Pak, 2 of the best bowling sides in World. If he does that at that s/r how can he be overrated?

As for VVS, he has played many back to the wall innings against by far the best side of last 1.5 decades. How can he be overrated then? Afterall nobody has revered him as best batsman in the world yet on the basis of those innings.

PS: Sehwag averages 50+ against SA as well. So thats 3 best bowling sides of world cricket and he averages 50+ against each one of them. How can he be overrated then?

I propose we nickname Steyn as 'skid mark' from here on in.

You know it makes sense.

skully prefers to call him 'come'.