Mitchell Johnson- How shit is he?

another one to benefit from the IPL

I've often pointed out that Johnson has been a key factor in the few Ashes victories since the 5-0 series

At his best , he's our best bowler ...the problem is getting him to his best and keeping him there.

Well done to Mitch and whoever has been in his ear for this series

Fred Nerk wrote:Fine Pete but what does 'personal exasperation' have to do with Trev and MJ? If I was an England follower, I'd get exasperated with KP and Carbuncle and Prior and Jimmy - not with the blokes on the other team, they can play as gormlessly or as ineptly as they like.

I wasn't "exasperated" by Johnson. As a guy who watches quite a lot of cricket, I was pointing out that he was shit. Recently he's been less shit. I prefer to comment on what I see at the time, and I don't care if years down the track, when the player has turned things around, some bored Aussie forummer decides to resurrect a thread to try and point out that actually, I was wrong. Well I wasn't wrong at the time that I started the thread. We were all pretty much in agreement- Johnson was shit. Verging on a laughing stock (He bowls to the left....)

 I'm an England supporter, but a cricket fan. I didn't notice any manual that stated I'm not allowed to pass judgement on players from other nations, or indeed that I should be more considerate of other forummers who might have a nerve well and truly (and frequently) struck by my posts.

Oh how very macho of you.

The implication that unless I give you the ego-boost of responding straight away I disqualify myself from commenting later when more facts are in, must be in the same manual that you're crapping on about.

The problem with having your pearls of wisdom preserved for all time, is that 'all time' extends past whenever they stop looking like wisdom. SIUUBG.

Trev


Keep posting your opinions

Its better than a "vanilla" forum where everybody has the same thoughts

...and I did lardate one of your threads that was on the money (unless Swanny un-retires and breaks Warne's all time wickets by a bowler record)

What? Anything other than a four and a half year interval between me starting the 'Aussie player is shit' thread and your response is an "ego boost" to me?   Yep, take your time, wait for those facts to come in....because that's what internet forums are all about.


I prefer to talk about cricket here and now, calling it as I see it, rather than faffing on with a whole lot of off-topic wordy gibberish completely unrelated to anything in particular.

All that stuff about 'exasperation' wasn't mine - it was Pete's, and I was unconvinced by his reasoning.

Go back to my original post which Pete was responding to - you were trying to throw your weight around by picking a blinding obvious target, and now it's come back and bit you on the arse, and under the 3467 layers of bluster in your last post I can still hear the unmistakeable IWOWYU bleat.

Fred Nerk wrote:All that stuff about 'exasperation' wasn't mine - it was Pete's, and I was unconvinced by his reasoning.

Go back to my original post which Pete was responding to - you were trying to throw your weight around by picking a blinding obvious target, and now it's come back and bit you on the arse, and under the 3467 layers of bluster in your last post I can still hear the unmistakeable IWOWYU bleat.

"Throw my weight around"? "Picking a blinding obvious target?"

Goodness, forgive me. I thought this was a cricket forum. You know- a place where we talk about cricket. And give our opinions about cricket, and cricketers, in the knowledge that we are not psychic, and can't all see that in four and a half years time a cricketer will be better than he is now. Like I said- If you choose to hide behind your big words and general gibberish, without actually making any observation on the cricket here and now (for the sake of not having ANYTHING "come back and bite you in the arse", I assume?), that's up to you. Whatever it takes to stay up on that high horse, eh?

Oh dear - I've wandered onto his territory and he's Not Happy.

Throw whatever crap you like - it's not a Freedom Of Speech issue although you seem keen on making it one. Wave your opinions around like a front bar thug with a piece of 4x2 to your heart's content. I couldn't GAF 99% plus of the time.

I didn't dig up this thread. I didn't even know it existed.  There it suddenly turned up on Page 1 yesterday, I didn't put it there, I read it, and when I thought somebody tried to call you a hero just because you expressed a 'strong' opinion and somebody called it, I thought, stuff it, why give WUMs free rein? Call their bluff now and again - make them earn their esteemed status. if they can be self indulgent and territorial then I can too.

Besides Henrys probably right
Johnson is still mostly shit. Hes just temporarily being a lucky shit

Shit hot in this series, that's fo sho.

Whatefver happens next.

PeterCS wrote:Shit hot in this series, that's fo sho.

Whatever happens next.

And you can quote me on it.

(ffs, it's time for bed ....)

Chloe Saltau (Age/SMH) has named MJ in her World Test Team of 2013, alongside Amla, Dhawan, Pujara, Clarke (c), Kohli, ABDeV, Haddin (wk), Jadeja, Broad and Steyn, with Harris 12th man.

If they were rolling this team out to play a Test against Venus tomorrow, no problem with  Mitch or a couple of other Aussies whose 2013s took a sudden, late, massive turn for the better after mid-November. Or even if was the Team of the Month. But neither 'if' applies.

Am I the only one barking up this tree?

Surely Philander and Ajmal?

Vermin was the first name I thought of - Ajmal I'll have to take your word for. Morks also - and seeing as it's only a notional team, the fact that a couple of blokes retired recently wouldn't have put them out of the hunt, surely?

Overall figures
Player Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM AveAscending Econ SR 5 10
MG Johnson (Aus) 6 12 212.5 54 596 34 7/40 9/103 17.52 2.80 37.5 3 0 investigate this query
DW Steyn (SA) 9 18 357.4 101 901 51 6/8 11/60 17.66 2.51 42.0 4 1 investigate this query
VD Philander (SA) 8 16 278.0 82 686 38 5/7 9/99 18.05 2.46 43.8 2 0 investigate this query
RA Jadeja (India) 5 10 255.4 68 573 30 6/138 7/98 19.10 2.24 51.1 2 0 investigate this query
RJ Harris (Aus) 8 16 304.5 78 834 38 7/117 9/187 21.94 2.73 48.1 2 0 investigate this query
S Shillingford (WI) 6 9 261.5 47 802 36 6/49 10/93 22.27 3.06 43.6 5 1 investigate this query
R Ashwin (India) 7 14 355.2 96 923 41 7/103 12/198 22.51 2.59 52.0 4 1 investigate this query
Saeed Ajmal (Pak) 8 13 360.0 68 947 39 7/95 11/118 24.28 2.63 55.3 3 2 investigate this query
TG Southee (NZ) 8 15 333.3 74 898 36 6/50 10/108 24.94 2.69 55.5 1 1 investigate this query
TA Boult (NZ) 12 21 429.5 110 1154 46 6/40 10/80 25.08 2.68 56.0 3 1 investigate this query
SCJ Broad (Eng) 14 26 478.1 87 1600 62 7/44 11/121 25.80 3.34 46.2 5 1 investigate this query
PM Siddle (Aus) 14 26 472.1 129 1269 42 5/50 8/135 30.21 2.68 67.4 2 0 investigate this query
JM Anderson (Eng) 14 27 531.5 125 1655 52 5/47 10/158 31.82 3.11 61.3 3 1 investigate this query
NM Lyon (Aus) 11 22 431.4 81 1429 42 7/94 9/165 34.02 3.31 61.6 2 0 investigate this query
GP Swann (Eng) 10 19 440.0 75 1466 43 6/90 10/132 34.09 3.33 61.3 3 1 investigate this query
N Wagner (NZ) 10 18 373.0 70 1271 35 5/64 7/116 36.31 3.40 63.9 1 0

MB

So I take it you don't consider performing over an entire year in different countries against different opposition counts for much?

It seems Chloe doesn't - either that or she's writing for her audience.

9 out of the 12 played either for or against Australia in 2013, leaving three Sith Effs which is about the bare minimum you'd expect from the year's best team.

Paul Keating wrote:MB

So I take it you don't consider performing over an entire year in different countries against different opposition counts for much?

I just put up some numbers ...the only interpretations I put on were 30 wickets minimum and sort by average

On MB's numbers it's not as outrageous as I thought it might be, but Philander is still dead stiff, and the fact that for more than half the 14 Tests Australia played in 2013 we chose not to select Johnson at all, should be given some significance.

What about the batting? I'm crap at setting up Statsguru like MB did, but my first guess is Clarke's spot is not as cast in stone as it would be for 2011 or 2012, Kiwi Taylor would have been in the hunt, and a there are a couple of handy bats who have just retired who still managed some reasonable numbers.

Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
KC Sangakkara (SL) 3 5 0 457 142 91.40 804 56.84 3 1 0 46 3 investigate this query
Mominul Haque (Ban) 5 9 2 584 181 83.42 972 60.08 2 2 0 71 0 investigate this query
AB de Villiers (SA) 9 13 1 933 164 77.75 1597 58.42 4 5 0 102 2 investigate this query
CA Pujara (India) 8 13 2 829 204 75.36 1474 56.24 3 3 0 107 1 investigate this query
LRPL Taylor (NZ) 10 17 5 866 217* 72.16 1513 57.23 3 4 2 103 4 investigate this query
S Chanderpaul (WI) 7 12 3 523 122* 58.11 1019 51.32 2 1 0 56 1 investigate this query
HM Amla (SA) 8 12 1 633 118 57.54 1158 54.66 2 4 0 73 0 investigate this query
V Kohli (India) 8 12 1 616 119 56.00 1127 54.65 2 3 0 73 2 investigate this query
Mushfiqur Rahim (Ban) 6 9 0 491 200 54.55 930 52.79 1 3 0 52 5 investigate this query
Younis Khan (Pak) 8 15 3 652 200* 54.33 1444 45.15 3 1 1 61 7 investigate this query
Misbah-ul-Haq (Pak) 8 15 3 644 100 53.66 1541 41.79 1 6 1 71 6 investigate this query
BRM Taylor (Zim) 5 10 1 469 171 52.11 968 48.45 2 1 0 36 4 investigate this query
GC Smith (SA) 9 14 1 651 234 50.07 1094 59.50 1 3 0 72 1 investigate this query
M Vijay (India) 8 13 0 647 167 49.76 1378 46.95 2 2 0 94 6 investigate this query
MJ Clarke (Aus) 13 26 3 1093 187 47.52 1938 56.39 4 3 2 116 6 investigate this query
MS Dhoni (India) 8 12 2 459 224 45.90 634 72.39 1 0 0 56 6 investigate this query
D Ramdin (WI) 7 12 3 410 107 45.55 708 57.90 1 3 0 59 2 investigate this query
F du Plessis (SA) 9 12 1 489 137 44.45 1130 43.27 2 0 0 52 2 investigate this query
IR Bell (Eng) 14 27 3 1005 113 41.87 2358 42.62 3 5 1 130 6 investigate this query
KS Williamson (NZ) 11 19 1 747 114 41.50 1731 43.15 1 7 0 86 2 investigate this query
CJL Rogers (Aus) 9 17 0 700 116 41.17 1556 44.98 2 5 0 93 0 investigate this query
BJ Watling (NZ) 11 16 1 596 103 39.73 1257 47.41 1 5 3 68 2 investigate this query
DA Warner (Aus) 12 24 1 909 124 39.52 1361 66.78 2 6 2 112 7 investigate this query
BJ Haddin (Aus) 10 18 1 647 118 38.05 1084 59.68 1 6 1 68 10 investigate this query
IJL Trott (Eng) 11 21 0 793 121 37.76 1588 49.93 1 5 2 104 0 investigate this query
SPD Smith (Aus) 11 21 2 711 138* 37.42 1550 45.87 2 3 1 74 10 investigate this query
PG Fulton (NZ) 10 17 0 620 136 36.47 1639 37.82 2 4 0 73 12 investigate this query
KP Pietersen (Eng) 11 21 0 758 113 36.09 1465 51.74 1 6 1 86 8 investigate this query
SR Watson (Aus) 12 24 1 810 176 35.21 1350 60.00 2 3 1 105 10 investigate this query
HD Rutherford (NZ) 10 17 1 558 171 34.87 916 60.91 1 1 1 70 9 investigate this query
JE Root (Eng) 14 27 2 862 180 34.48 2121 40.64 2 3 1 94 2 investigate this query
AN Cook (Eng) 14 27 0 916 130 33.92 2153 42.54 2 6 2 106 0 investigate this query
AN Petersen (SA) 9 14 1 438 106 33.69 833 52.58 1 2 0 56 2 investigate this query
Asad Shafiq (Pak) 8 13 0 436 130 33.53 1024 42.57 2 2 0 57 2 investigate this query
BB McCullum (NZ) 12 19 1 586 113 32.55 912 64.25 1 4 0 72 11 investigate this query
MJ Prior (Eng) 13 24 5 594 110* 31.26 1058 56.14 1 3 5 97 2

What filter did you use. I don't seem to see Dhawan.

Well played to the Monkeh for being the catalyst for the producing of handbags

I think I read a touch of jealousy here, well the poms maligned Mitch and he came back and rubbed your proverbial noses into it. so Go Mitch. His performances were a up yours to those who thought he couldn't perform. he was far better than you lot thought and that includes the ridiculous aus selectors as well as the poms.

CT wrote:I think I read a touch of jealousy here, well the poms maligned Mitch and he came back and rubbed your proverbial noses into it. so Go Mitch.  His performances were a up yours to those who thought he couldn't perform.  he was far better than you lot thought and that includes the ridiculous aus selectors as well as the poms.

Yep, you were the only Aussie here that backed him.