Re: The Football Thread - 2011/12

by taipan Fri 02 Sep 2011, 21:12

eowyn wrote:It works for me. The black shirt is very slimming, just look at Rooney.

And I thought England had upgraded from B&W TV.

by eowyn Fri 02 Sep 2011, 21:18

Looked like black shirts and sky blue shorts on my telly. Was it an incredibly dark navy blue? Still made the ugly one look a bit thinner.

by taipan Fri 02 Sep 2011, 21:28

As I said.

Good to see the ugly one to increase his England tally by 2.

Good to see MU still bringing English youngsters through.

by JKLever Fri 02 Sep 2011, 22:00

You mean the ones brought through by Fulham, Everton & Watford?

by taipan Fri 02 Sep 2011, 22:19

JKLever wrote:You mean the ones brought through by Fulham, Everton & Watford?

As opposed to those brought through by Arsenal, Chelsea,City and the rest?

Slice it or dice it. MU showcases more English talent than the rest put together.

by LeFromage Fri 02 Sep 2011, 22:20

Phil Jones from Blackburn will no doubt be another of their "home grown" gifts to the national team.

United "still" bringing English youngsters through? Last graduate from the famed United academy to debut for England before Welbeck got five minutes as a sub in a friendly last year? Wes Brown. 1999.

Even Arsenal (Cole, Bentley, Gibbs, Wilshere) have contributed more in the timescale. And they, famously, never bring through English players.

by taipan Fri 02 Sep 2011, 22:29

Dello wrote:Phil Jones from Blackburn will no doubt be another of their "home grown" gifts to the national team.

United "still" bringing English youngsters through? Last graduate from the famed United academy to debut for England before Welbeck got five minutes as a sub in a friendly last year? Wes Brown. 1999.

Even Arsenal (Cole, Bentley, Gibbs, Wilshere) have contributed more in the timescale. And they, famously, never bring through English players.

And where are most of those now?

At least MU play English players.

by LeFromage Fri 02 Sep 2011, 22:38

taipan wrote:
MU showcases more English talent than the rest put together.

No - they've bought up more English talent than the rest.

In the pre Chelski and Mansourchester City days, no-one else could even compete with £30 million bids for Rooney and Ferdinand, no matter how much they'd have liked to have signed them.

Not much of an achievement, buying up the best players because you've got the most money.

English players are always wildly overpriced (see Carroll, A or Henderson, J), a strange "English tax" seeming to add 10 to 15 million pounds over market value to any player born in this country. Makes no sense for any club that isn't filthy rich to buy them when they can get players of comparable and often superior ability cheaper by shopping overseas.

Not much of an achievement.

by LeFromage Fri 02 Sep 2011, 22:44

taipan wrote:
Dello wrote:Phil Jones from Blackburn will no doubt be another of their "home grown" gifts to the national team.

United "still" bringing English youngsters through? Last graduate from the famed United academy to debut for England before Welbeck got five minutes as a sub in a friendly last year? Wes Brown. 1999.

Even Arsenal (Cole, Bentley, Gibbs, Wilshere) have contributed more in the timescale. And they, famously, never bring through English players.

And where are most of those now?

At least MU play English players.

Cole left for more money. Bentley left because he thought he was better than he was. Gibbs and Wilshere are current first choice picks - but injured.

Arsenal have three English players in the first XI (when fit). I don't know what your point is.

by taipan Fri 02 Sep 2011, 22:50

Dello wrote:
taipan wrote:
MU showcases more English talent than the rest put together.

No - they've bought up more English talent than the rest.

In the pre Chelski and Mansourchester City days, no-one else could even compete with £30 million bids for Rooney and Ferdinand, no matter how much they'd have liked to have signed them.

Not much of an achievement, buying up the best players because you've got the most money.

English players are always wildly overpriced (see Carroll, A or Henderson, J), a strange "English tax" seeming to add 10 to 15 million pounds over market value to any player born in this country. Makes no sense for any club that isn't filthy rich to buy them when they can get players of comparable and often superior ability cheaper by shopping overseas.

Not much of an achievement.

Yeah, frigging right. If you ignore Liverpool buying up everyone in the 70s to play them in the reserves. Fark me Dello is that your best shot? MU haven't bought big for years.

by taipan Fri 02 Sep 2011, 22:55

Dello wrote:
taipan wrote:
Dello wrote:Phil Jones from Blackburn will no doubt be another of their "home grown" gifts to the national team.

United "still" bringing English youngsters through? Last graduate from the famed United academy to debut for England before Welbeck got five minutes as a sub in a friendly last year? Wes Brown. 1999.

Even Arsenal (Cole, Bentley, Gibbs, Wilshere) have contributed more in the timescale. And they, famously, never bring through English players.

And where are most of those now?

At least MU play English players.

Cole left for more money. Bentley left because he thought he was better than he was. Gibbs and Wilshere are current first choice picks - but injured.

Arsenal have three English players in the first XI (when fit). I don't know what your point is.

Ditto

by LeFromage Fri 02 Sep 2011, 23:03

taipan wrote:
Dello wrote:
taipan wrote:
MU showcases more English talent than the rest put together.

No - they've bought up more English talent than the rest.

In the pre Chelski and Mansourchester City days, no-one else could even compete with £30 million bids for Rooney and Ferdinand, no matter how much they'd have liked to have signed them.

Not much of an achievement, buying up the best players because you've got the most money.

English players are always wildly overpriced (see Carroll, A or Henderson, J), a strange "English tax" seeming to add 10 to 15 million pounds over market value to any player born in this country. Makes no sense for any club that isn't filthy rich to buy them when they can get players of comparable and often superior ability cheaper by shopping overseas.

Not much of an achievement.

Yeah, frigging right. If you ignore Liverpool buying up everyone in the 70s to play them in the reserves. Fark me Dello is that your best shot? MU haven't bought big for years.

Well, if you ignore Berbatov for £31 million...

But the point you seemed to be claiming as a "win" was that United "showcase more English talent than anyone else".

No-one else could afford Ferdinand or Rooney. Carrick was £19 million (substantially more, for example, than Arsenal's club record transfer fee paid). What other English talent have they had in that period before they flashed the cash again and signed up Smalling, Jones and Young in very recent times?

Like I said, Wes Brown was the last player they actually brought through who was any good. And that was in the last millennium.

The claim that it's "good to see MU still bringing English youngsters through" is baseless.

And the suggestion that they showcase more English talent than anyone else is dubious at best. Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, Tottenham and Liverpool currently have at least three English starters each.

by taipan Fri 02 Sep 2011, 23:14

True the sad part is I don't rate either berbatov or Carrick.

Byw I reckon City will win the league this year.

But I don't give a fack. MU will be fun to watch.

by taipan Fri 02 Sep 2011, 23:15

True the sad part is I don't rate either berbatov or Carrick.

Byw I reckon City will win the league this year.

But I don't give a fack. MU will be fun to watch.

by LeFromage Fri 02 Sep 2011, 23:30

Berbatov has his moments, but Carrick's terrible. Slow. Only passes backwards or sideways. Disappears entirely against good opposition - and is a liability in possession against sides that close him down quickly.

Literally any midfielder in the world could do Carrick's job as well as him. A point proven by Tom Cleverly - who played out wide for a struggling Wigan side last season and was barely a fringe player for the England under 21 in the summer - coming straight into the side and seamlessly settling in.

by Basil Sat 03 Sep 2011, 01:09

The shirts looked like the sort of thing Sussex might have worn for the Sunday League about 15 years ago.

by Basil Sat 03 Sep 2011, 01:41

Those charming Bulgarian fans were directing monkey noises at Ashley Young, Theo Walcott and Ashley Cole. Any chance these qunts can be thrown out of the next World Cup?

by JKLever Sat 03 Sep 2011, 02:05

Eastern Europe is a pretty backward place, sadly.

by Basil Sat 03 Sep 2011, 02:06

Like Burnley then without the nice bits

by JKLever Sat 03 Sep 2011, 02:09

Basil wrote:Like Burnley then without the nice bits

And the extra digits.

by lardbucket Sat 03 Sep 2011, 05:59

Basil wrote:Those charming Bulgarian fans were directing monkey noises at Ashley Young, Theo Walcott and Ashley Cole.

Indian immigrants ...

by LeFromage Sat 03 Sep 2011, 14:34

They had their own player of tan - some naturalised Brazilian chap.

Do they cheer when he scores? I bet they do.

People are idiots the world over.

by Brass Monkey Tue 06 Sep 2011, 21:23

Gashmatch.

by beamer Tue 06 Sep 2011, 21:28

Typical England crapulosity at Wembley, can't string two decent performances together. In effect this match didn't matter in terms of qualification because whatever happens we need a point in Montenegro to qualify.

by JKLever Tue 06 Sep 2011, 23:01

Is every other country the same as us? It seems as if we don't win 5-0 playing like Brazil people are never satisfied here.

Not that i'm saying it was a great performance as i've only seen the goal, but I think Gary Nev as much as I don't like him was spot on. The English public almost frighten the side with unrealistic expectation.

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