Aus squad for SAf

embee wrote:

horace wrote:why were there 2 queues?...where was Fuse?

oh well I hope you are right...I can see 0 upside in bog's selection

couldnt take 2 untried ...and waste of time take 2 recycled

WTF would you consider Hughes? the saffies may bowl shit to him again and we'd be stuck with him

If he wins the series so be it. Horses for courses has just as much merit as picking someone because he's in the right head-space. Invers said that Marsh is ideally suited to bat in SA. Well hasn't Hughes the track record there too? He might have had a few chances but at least he succeeded in SA and has the runs on the board in first class cricket since his dumping. Marsh has averaged 25 since he deservedly was axed after making 17 runs in five innings against a mob of pie chuckers who managed to resuscitate Punter whose career was about to expire.

In other news, Aus have selected 20 year old leg spinner James Muirhead in their T20 squad. Against any other team it would be an extremely risky selection, but England will poke and prod and gift him a few wickets to ease him in to international cricket, so it's probably a shrewd move by the Australian selectors.

embee wrote:he only had to do little

his competition was North White Voges Ferguson or Pomersbach  (experienced guys who done something this year ) They are all mehh selections ...Marsh has the most upside

Doolan got the other spot ahead of Lynn or Burns ( Doolan has been at the front of that queue for a while)

White averaged fifty and would have to count himself unlucky. He got his test chance in India batting at #8 and trying to beat a front-line spinner which was never going to work. He's young enough to warrant one more go given that Marsh who admitted himself on the news tonight that he didn't have the runs on the board, was his main competitor after Doolan.

Red wrote:

embee wrote:

horace wrote:why were there 2 queues?...where was Fuse?

oh well I hope you are right...I can see 0 upside in bog's selection

couldnt take 2 untried ...and waste of time take 2 recycled

WTF would you consider Hughes? the saffies may bowl shit to him again and we'd be stuck with him

If he wins the series so be it. Horses for courses has just as much merit as picking someone because he's in the right head-space. Invers said that Marsh is ideally suited to bat in SA. Well hasn't Hughes the track record there too? He might have had a few chances but at least he succeeded in SA and has the runs on the board in first class cricket since his dumping. Marsh has averaged 25 since he deservedly was axed after making 17 runs in five innings against a mob of pie chuckers who managed to resuscitate Punter whose career was about to expire.

because hughes has a huge technical fault he refuses to do anything about

whoever bats at 3 will quickly be dispatched by the Saffie pace attack anyway

embee wrote:

Red wrote:

embee wrote:

horace wrote:why were there 2 queues?...where was Fuse?

oh well I hope you are right...I can see 0 upside in bog's selection

couldnt take 2 untried ...and waste of time take 2 recycled

WTF would you consider Hughes? the saffies may bowl shit to him again and we'd be stuck with him

If he wins the series so be it. Horses for courses has just as much merit as picking someone because he's in the right head-space. Invers said that Marsh is ideally suited to bat in SA. Well hasn't Hughes the track record there too? He might have had a few chances but at least he succeeded in SA and has the runs on the board in first class cricket since his dumping. Marsh has averaged 25 since he deservedly was axed after making 17 runs in five innings against a mob of pie chuckers who managed to resuscitate Punter whose career was about to expire.

because hughes has a huge technical fault he refuses to do anything about

He allegedly has worked on his technique. You could also argue though that despite this he can still outperform Marsh who supposedly is better equipped to put the runs on the board. No doubting that Invers has sent a message to SS batsmen that runs don't matter. History also shows that batsmen who aren't technically perfect can still make runs.

Red wrote:

embee wrote:

Red wrote:

embee wrote:

horace wrote:why were there 2 queues?...where was Fuse?

oh well I hope you are right...I can see 0 upside in bog's selection

couldnt take 2 untried ...and waste of time take 2 recycled

WTF would you consider Hughes? the saffies may bowl shit to him again and we'd be stuck with him

If he wins the series so be it. Horses for courses has just as much merit as picking someone because he's in the right head-space. Invers said that Marsh is ideally suited to bat in SA. Well hasn't Hughes the track record there too? He might have had a few chances but at least he succeeded in SA and has the runs on the board in first class cricket since his dumping. Marsh has averaged 25 since he deservedly was axed after making 17 runs in five innings against a mob of pie chuckers who managed to resuscitate Punter whose career was about to expire.

because hughes has a huge technical fault he refuses to do anything about

He allegedly has worked on his technique. You could also argue though that despite this he can still outperform Marsh who supposedly is better equipped to put the runs on the board. No doubting that Invers has sent a message to SS batsmen that runs don't matter. History also shows that batsmen who aren't technically perfect can still make runs.

Finally giving credit to Graeme Smith

Red wrote:

embee wrote:

Red wrote:

embee wrote:

horace wrote:why were there 2 queues?...where was Fuse?

oh well I hope you are right...I can see 0 upside in bog's selection

couldnt take 2 untried ...and waste of time take 2 recycled

WTF would you consider Hughes? the saffies may bowl shit to him again and we'd be stuck with him

If he wins the series so be it. Horses for courses has just as much merit as picking someone because he's in the right head-space. Invers said that Marsh is ideally suited to bat in SA. Well hasn't Hughes the track record there too? He might have had a few chances but at least he succeeded in SA and has the runs on the board in first class cricket since his dumping. Marsh has averaged 25 since he deservedly was axed after making 17 runs in five innings against a mob of pie chuckers who managed to resuscitate Punter whose career was about to expire.

because hughes has a huge technical fault he refuses to do anything about

He allegedly has worked on his technique. You could also argue though that despite this he can still outperform Marsh who supposedly is better equipped to put the runs on the board. No doubting that Invers has sent a message to SS batsmen that runs don't matter. History also shows that batsmen who aren't technically perfect can still make runs.

He's developed a swipe across the line through mid wicket ...which he uses on anything he thinks he cant cut

Anyway will be interesting to see if he can get his average past father who was a mediocre player.

Nath wrote:whoever bats at 3 will quickly be dispatched by the Saffie pace attack anyway

Aye. Might as well play Cowan. At least he might face out a few overs.

Red wrote:Anyway will be interesting to see if he can get his average past father who was a mediocre player.

Geoff Marsh was a vital cog in Australian cricket during the mid to late 80s when they were slowly building their way back.

Red wrote:Anyway will be interesting to see if he can get his average past father who was a mediocre player.

He got his JAMODI average past Dad last night.

I'm sad for you that you dont understand the significance of Geoff Marsh to Oz cricket

So one dud has been replaced by another dud. At least we get Beetle back in the Shield side to cover for Dools.

embee wrote:I'm sad for you that you dont understand the significance of Geoff Marsh to Oz cricket

Plodder who turned people away from the game. Ask cricket lovers about that mid-80s period in cricket and most will recall the funereal Marsh. I know what you're going to say, he had to play against the Windies, he blunted the new ball bla bla bla!

The fact is his record is mediocre. He played 50 tests and averaged 33 at a scoring rate of 35. He scored four tons in those fifty tests. None of course against the Windies. Yes he played against this attack but he averaged 23 against them anyway.  He ate up a large percentage of balls in ODIs for a mediocre return. Also remember him in the 92 WC frustrating the hell out of the fans.  He was a very limited player.

Also remember Border throwing a hissy fit when the selectors wanted to drop Marsh.

Just checked Marsh's scoring rate in ODIs - 55. I know the scoring rates were lower then but my goodness my eyes didn't deceive me - this guy bored people out of the stadium.

Red wrote:

embee wrote:I'm sad for you that you dont understand the significance of Geoff Marsh to Oz cricket

Plodder who turned people away from the game. Ask cricket lovers about that mid-80s period in cricket and most will recall the funereal Marsh. I know what you're going to say, he had to play against the Windies, he blunted the new ball bla bla bla!

The fact is his record is mediocre. He played 50 tests and averaged 33 at a scoring rate of 35. He scored four tons in those fifty tests. None of course against the Windies. Yes he played against this attack but he averaged 23 against them anyway.  He ate up a large percentage of balls in ODIs for a mediocre return. Also remember him in the 92 WC frustrating the hell out of the fans.  He was a very limited player.

Also remember Border throwing a hissy fit when the selectors wanted to drop Marsh.

Just checked Marsh's scoring rate in ODIs - 55. I know the scoring rates were lower then but my goodness my eyes didn't deceive me - this guy bored people out of the stadium.

I remember Marsh fondly as one of the core group that help pull Aust from the bottom of the heap.  I still remember very clearly he and Taylor batting all day against England in 1989 during my HSC trials.

Sure he was limited but as Henry said he played a role.

AB loved him - that's good enough for me.

He got one of his few tons against England in that series. I do recall that day too but as good as it was to turn the corner I also remember that attack as being pretty much third rate with injuries, rebel defections etc.

Marsh is imprinted indelibly on my mind as a plodding bore. Without him we would have still dragged ourselves out of the mire.

You need boring batsmen in your team. Just not as many as England currently have!

Seems there was no soft spot in Red's heart for ol' Swampy.  

One wonders whether the SAffers will loudly "question" Bog's bonefides if he gets a spot in the Test XI.

Bog did have one good innings in the Test that shall not be named didn't he?

JGK wrote:Bog did have one good innings in the Test that shall not be named didn't he?

Are you talking about the 44? That goes down as the greatest 44 in history next to the greatest nine which was scored by...

bring back Katich. problem solved and everybody is happy

This, he's (****** son) not going to play so it doesn't matter is a load of bullshit. One batsman injured (possible) or a rough first test (likely) then he's the one.

How long are we going to persist with trying to resolve the problem of 3 and 6, and they're tied together like a fifties catholic marriage, with specialist JAMODIs with crap FC form.

It's insane. It's like the NSP are a bunch of alcoholics who can't get past AAs firsts step.

As pointed out, there are better FC batsmen out there and if we keep going down this discredited path we run the risk of demeaning the Shield even further. We may as well not have it as a nursery.

The fact that the only remotely redeeming feature of this selection seems to be "it's not Hughes at least" shows just how badly we've lost the plot.

JGK wrote:

Red wrote:

embee wrote:I'm sad for you that you dont understand the significance of Geoff Marsh to Oz cricket

Plodder who turned people away from the game. Ask cricket lovers about that mid-80s period in cricket and most will recall the funereal Marsh. I know what you're going to say, he had to play against the Windies, he blunted the new ball bla bla bla!

The fact is his record is mediocre. He played 50 tests and averaged 33 at a scoring rate of 35. He scored four tons in those fifty tests. None of course against the Windies. Yes he played against this attack but he averaged 23 against them anyway.  He ate up a large percentage of balls in ODIs for a mediocre return. Also remember him in the 92 WC frustrating the hell out of the fans.  He was a very limited player.

Also remember Border throwing a hissy fit when the selectors wanted to drop Marsh.

Just checked Marsh's scoring rate in ODIs - 55. I know the scoring rates were lower then but my goodness my eyes didn't deceive me - this guy bored people out of the stadium.

I remember Marsh fondly as one of the core group that help pull Aust from the bottom of the heap.  I still remember very clearly he and Taylor batting all day against England in 1989 during my HSC trials.

Sure he was limited but as Henry said he played a role.

AB loved him - that's good enough for me.

Once again Red proves that the distance between Red and A Clue is vast.

lardbucket wrote:

JGK wrote:

Red wrote:

embee wrote:I'm sad for you that you dont understand the significance of Geoff Marsh to Oz cricket

Plodder who turned people away from the game. Ask cricket lovers about that mid-80s period in cricket and most will recall the funereal Marsh. I know what you're going to say, he had to play against the Windies, he blunted the new ball bla bla bla!

The fact is his record is mediocre. He played 50 tests and averaged 33 at a scoring rate of 35. He scored four tons in those fifty tests. None of course against the Windies. Yes he played against this attack but he averaged 23 against them anyway.  He ate up a large percentage of balls in ODIs for a mediocre return. Also remember him in the 92 WC frustrating the hell out of the fans.  He was a very limited player.

Also remember Border throwing a hissy fit when the selectors wanted to drop Marsh.

Just checked Marsh's scoring rate in ODIs - 55. I know the scoring rates were lower then but my goodness my eyes didn't deceive me - this guy bored people out of the stadium.

I remember Marsh fondly as one of the core group that help pull Aust from the bottom of the heap.  I still remember very clearly he and Taylor batting all day against England in 1989 during my HSC trials.

Sure he was limited but as Henry said he played a role.

AB loved him - that's good enough for me.

Once again Red proves that the distance between Red and A Clue is vast.

In your opinion. I know at least one person involved in the scene at that time who considered Marsh and ordinary player and very ordinary coach.  People are entitled to their own views on the topic though it seems Geoff Marsh is another one can't criticise without being ridiculed.