Vaughan trolling Ajmal

More fallout from the Ajmal case.

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/2014/9/9/pakistan-appeal-saeed-ajmal-icc-ban-for-illegal-bowling-action

More power to the likes of Ian Gould who are not prepared to tolerate these pingers.

has Rd's SOK been tested?

Blackadder wrote:More fallout from the Ajmal case.

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/2014/9/9/pakistan-appeal-saeed-ajmal-icc-ban-for-illegal-bowling-action

"They (ICC) have not yet considered my medical reports, and once they do it I am sure there should be no problems. There's a bend in my arm, and if someone has a medical problem he can't do much about it."

Hmmm, complete misunderstanding of ICC rule there Saeed. It's not the bend in your arm that's the problem.

So Ajmal is going the Murali bullshit line of a mutant deformity in his elbow?? FFS.

WideWally wrote:

beamer wrote:So the best two spinners in world cricket are now Rangana Herath and Nathan Lyon? All time low perhaps?

The world's spinning stocks would have been fairly low around 1990.

1	862	M.D. Marshall		910 v England, 30/06/1988
2	758	C.A. Walsh		867 v England, 17/08/2000
3	754	C.E.L. Ambrose		912 v England, 25/03/1994
4	749	Imran Khan		922 v India, 30/01/1983
5	743	Wasim Akram		830 v Australia, 28/09/1994
6	726	T.M. Alderman		766 v England, 23/11/1990
7	690	M.G. Hughes		794 v England, 22/07/1993
8	643	Kapil Dev		877 v Pakistan, 15/01/1980
9	587	I.R. Bishop		840 v England, 06/07/1995
10	571	Abdul Qadir		710 v England, 16/12/1987
11	551	B.A. Reid		808 v India, 26/12/1991
12	543	A.R.C. Fraser		776 v South Africa, 06/08/1998
13	542	N.A. Foster		619 v Australia, 22/06/1989
14	540	Tauseef Ahmed		605 v Australia, 07/10/1988
15	518	N.D. Hirwani		605 v New Zealand, 02/12/1988
16	468	R.J. Shastri		583 v West Indies, 26/12/1987
17	464	D.E. Malcolm		570 v Australia, 26/01/1995
18	463	C.J. McDermott		794 v Sri Lanka, 08/09/1992
19	460	D.K. Morrison		658 v Australia, 12/03/1993
20	442	B.P. Patterson		558 v England, 25/07/1991
21	439	Maninder Singh		629 v Pakistan, 13/03/1987

Top ranked bowlers on this day in 1990... not too much spin on show, and pretty much sod all outside Asia (the likes of Emburey, May and Harper sat just below).

A glance at the top three shows perhaps the biggest change in world cricket since then, along with the obvious absence of South Africa at the time.

No Beamer spin love for Ravi Shastri

Forgot what he actually bowled in fact, only really remember his later career when he was mainly a batsman so didn't really occur to me as a spinner when I looked down that list... now added to the highlighted ones anyway! Still managed to rank in the top 20 bowlers even though I think he was an opening batsman at that point. I suppose we didn't see that much of India in those days.

I think Shastri is the only bowler to have taken more than 100 Test wickets at a worse average than Ashley Giles. Not sure what my point is here I just like that stat.

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM AveDescending Econ SR 5 10
CL Hooper (WI) 1987-2002 102 145 13794 5635 114 5/26 7/178 49.42 2.45 121.0 4 0 investigate this query
N Boje (SA) 2000-2006 43 72 8620 4265 100 5/62 8/134 42.65 2.96 86.2 3 0 investigate this query
RJ Shastri (India) 1981-1992 80 125 15751 6185 151 5/75 8/179 40.96 2.35 104.3 2 0 investigate this query
Mohammad Rafique (Ban) 2000-2008 33 48 8744 4076 100 6/77 9/160 40.76 2.79 87.4 7 0 investigate this query
AF Giles (Eng) 1998-2006 54 88 12180 5806 143 5/57 9/122 40.60 2.86 85.1 5 0

Paul Adams?

More than 100 embee, more than. But yeah, point conceded, it's Carl Hooper that tops that particular list not Shastri.

taipan wrote:Paul Adams?

134 @32.87

MoH wrote:More than 100 embee, more than. But yeah, point conceded, it's Carl Hooper that tops that particular list not Shastri.

Shastri is the only bowler to have more wickets than Giles at a higher average

embee wrote:

MoH wrote:More than 100 embee, more than. But yeah, point conceded, it's Carl Hooper that tops that particular list not Shastri.

Shastri is the only bowler to have more wickets than Giles at a higher average

Interesting that they both coached their country's one day teams.

To be fair, Hooper and Boje were reallly just in the team to keep it tight while their pace bowlers had a rest.

They (all non Banglas) could all score big, whereas an Ashley Giles 50 was as rare as can be - 4 in 54 Tests.

embee wrote:

MoH wrote:More than 100 embee, more than. But yeah, point conceded, it's Carl Hooper that tops that particular list not Shastri.

Shastri is the only bowler to have more wickets than Giles at a higher average

Shastri hai, hai.

Brass Monkey wrote:They (all non Banglas) could all score big, whereas an Ashley Giles 50 was as rare as can be - 4 in 54 Tests.

Boje made 4 in 43, average 25 (to Giles's 21) so not that much different really. Obviously Hooper and (later career) Shastri were batting all-rounders/batsmen who bowled.

I think things have moved on since even a decade ago, a bowling all-rounder is probably expected to average pushing 30 with the bat now and your number 9 and maybe even 10 need to average 20+ and chip in with the odd fifty.

Meh. So he's marginally better than Nicky Boje? Wowww...

No, Bodge was slighly better... he didn't win the 2005 Ashes though, and doesn't have an MBE...

Don't get me wrong, we all love Ashley. After blagging a Test career, a selector career and a coaching career, he's now blagging a media career. What sort of person wouldn't love him?

beamer wrote:No, Bodge was slighly better... he didn't win the 2005 Ashes though, and doesn't have an MBE...

Or rule an entire country.

beamer wrote:

Brass Monkey wrote:They (all non Banglas) could all score big, whereas an Ashley Giles 50 was as rare as can be - 4 in 54 Tests.

Boje made 4 in 43, average 25 (to Giles's 21) so not that much different really. Obviously Hooper and (later career) Shastri were batting all-rounders/batsmen who bowled.

I think things have moved on since even a decade ago, a bowling all-rounder is probably expected to average pushing 30 with the bat now and your number 9 and maybe even 10 need to average 20+ and chip in with the odd fifty.

Looking at the stats they are both the same age. I thought Boje might have sneaked in a test ton but got confused with his ODI stats.

pity none of them took 300 test wickets...they could have challenged Bung