Re: Vaughan trolling Ajmal

by Nath Fri 12 Sep 2014, 23:34

http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/testing-in-australia-showed-banned-pakistani-spinner-saeed-ajmal-was-extending-elbow-by-40-degrees/story-e6frf3g3-1227057206970

40 degrees?! what the heck? Shocked

by skully Fri 12 Sep 2014, 23:45

So he must definitely be out v us in October then?? Cool. Cool

by Henry Sat 13 Sep 2014, 00:21

Nath wrote:http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/testing-in-australia-showed-banned-pakistani-spinner-saeed-ajmal-was-extending-elbow-by-40-degrees/story-e6frf3g3-1227057206970

40 degrees?! what the heck?

Is it really so surprising?

Vaughan trolling Ajmal - Page 4 Saeed-Ajmal_2112049b

by Basil Sat 13 Sep 2014, 00:51

Henry wrote:
Nath wrote:http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/testing-in-australia-showed-banned-pakistani-spinner-saeed-ajmal-was-extending-elbow-by-40-degrees/story-e6frf3g3-1227057206970

40 degrees?! what the heck?

Is it really so surprising?

That photograph proves nothing - he might have bowled the ball with the same bend at the elbow for all you know and beware of photos taken from anywhere near front-on - does foreshortening mean anything to you?

Anyway, Ajmal was shown to be breaking the 15 degree rule at his test and it will be some time before he sets foot on the field in a competitive match again. I suspect he might have to agree not to bowl the doosra.

by Nath Sat 13 Sep 2014, 01:45

Basil wrote:
Henry wrote:
Nath wrote:http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/testing-in-australia-showed-banned-pakistani-spinner-saeed-ajmal-was-extending-elbow-by-40-degrees/story-e6frf3g3-1227057206970

40 degrees?! what the heck?

Is it really so surprising?

That photograph proves nothing - he might have bowled the ball with the same bend at the elbow for all you know and beware of photos taken from anywhere near front-on - does foreshortening mean anything to you?

Anyway, Ajmal was shown to be breaking the 15 degree rule at his test and it will be some time before he sets foot on the field in a competitive match again. I suspect he might have to agree not to bowl the doosra.

might have to play as a batsman Razz

by Brass Monkey Sat 13 Sep 2014, 11:06

Crazy amount of flex.... but not surprising at all. If someone looks like they're chucking, they're probably chucking. Most of his deliveries looked chucky to the naked eye, so...

by tricycle Sun 14 Sep 2014, 06:59

Times of India, Mar 19, 2012 wrote:Ajmal ignited a controversy over his bowling action in an interview to BBC in which he claimed that the ICC had given him special permission to straighten his arm beyond the allowed 15 degrees.

The PCB and ICC later clarified that no latitude had been given to the Pakistani spinner.

The 34-year-old off-spinner had claimed that the ICC has allowed him extra leniency, up to 23.5 degrees.

As per the ICC rules a bowler can only straighten his arm up to 15 degrees, beyond which his action will be deemed illegal.

"I don't know about my bowling action, but somebody was telling me your action is bad. ICC has allowed me 23.5 because my arm is not good because of an accident, that is why a problem," Ajmal had told BBC television recently.

"Otherwise no problem, straightaway cleared by ICC."

Clearly went from 23.5 to 40 by accident though...

by MoH Mon 15 Sep 2014, 12:34

So, reading the cricinfo article about this every single delivery he bowls is a mega-chuck, not just the doosra. To me, it looks like the initial bend in his arm is about 40 degrees so he must be basically fully straightening at release. Why did it take so long for him to be banned? Has his action deteriorated that much since he was last tested or were the previous testers incompetent?

by MoH Mon 15 Sep 2014, 12:40

Basil wrote:

That photograph proves nothing - he might have bowled the ball with the same bend at the elbow for all you know and beware of photos taken from anywhere near front-on - does foreshortening mean anything to you?

Anyway, Ajmal was shown to be breaking the 15 degree rule at his test and it will be some time before he sets foot on the field in a competitive match again. I suspect he might have to agree not to bowl the doosra.

Agree with Basil, a static 2D picture will not tell you if a bowler is chucking. I'm surprised how many people still perpetuate this fallacy especially on here where the level of cricket knowledge is very high compared to, say, the comments sections on cricinfo articles.

Don't think agreeing not to bowl his doosra will do Ajmal any good though. The cricinfo article I mentioned above shows he's chucking every single delivery (close to or above 40 degrees, even for his standard off break).

by buckSH Tue 16 Sep 2014, 10:48

you go Akmal

http://www.dawn.com/news/1132204/ajmal-gets-double-promotion-at-ztbl

the bank, in recognition of his services for the country, has promoted him as senior vice-president

Regarding Ajmal as an asset for Pakistan cricket, the spokesman said that at this critical time when the player was facing the ICC ban the bank decision on the bowler’s promotion would boost his morale.

by furriner Tue 16 Sep 2014, 12:01

So what would he need to do to make CEO?

by MoH Tue 16 Sep 2014, 12:12

Some match fixing?

by buckSH Tue 16 Sep 2014, 14:37

furriner wrote:So what would he need to do to make CEO?

90 degree

by Merlin Tue 16 Sep 2014, 22:25

furriner wrote:So what would he need to do to make CEO?

Bend over instead of just bending his arm.

by buckSH Wed 17 Sep 2014, 08:48

that's an old pakistani tradition and started with Imran .. that's why he always carried vaseline .. remember.

by furriner Wed 17 Sep 2014, 17:25

Merlin wrote:
furriner wrote:So what would he need to do to make CEO?

Bend over instead of just bending his arm.

This isn't Eton we're speaking about.

by Brass Monkey Wed 17 Sep 2014, 17:40

They don't bend over. They're forced over.

by tricycle Wed 17 Sep 2014, 18:05

Bent bankers trying to straighten up.... Took it a bit literally?

by Henry Sun 28 Sep 2014, 06:40

Now Mohammad Hafeez has been reported.

Seriously, how long before an Indian is reported? And what kind of stink will there be?

by taipan Sun 28 Sep 2014, 06:46

Subrayen as well, but his action is as dodgy as hell.

by tricycle Sun 28 Sep 2014, 07:18

Henry wrote:Seriously, how long before an Indian is reported? And what kind of stink will there be?

Which Indian chucker plays international cricket nowadays? Ollie Rayner?

by Big Dog Mon 29 Sep 2014, 22:06

Sunil Narine has now been reported.

by Henry Mon 29 Sep 2014, 22:29

tricycle wrote:
Henry wrote:Seriously, how long before an Indian is reported? And what kind of stink will there be?
Which Indian chucker plays international cricket nowadays? Ollie Rayner?

Harbhajan and Ojha.

by buckSH Tue 30 Sep 2014, 04:13

time has come to dump England from ICC and see how they feel about it.

by taipan Tue 30 Sep 2014, 04:24

buckSH wrote:time has come to dump England from ICC and see how they feel about it.

I think you have been reading too many horrie posts.

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