Re: Who are world cricket's current GREAT players?

by MrPrez Wed 14 Nov 2012, 13:00

Haven't read the thread. Greats atm will be

SRT
Kohli
Kallis
Amla
de Villiers
Steyn
Philander*
KP
Anderson*
Swann*
Prior*
Punter
Clarke*
Watson
Cummins
Starc

* refers to not-as-legends.

by baggygreen Wed 14 Nov 2012, 13:17

Wtf? I like Cummins and think he has a great future but how can he be considered a great now? And Starc, huh? confused

by MrPrez Wed 14 Nov 2012, 13:26

Players playing now that will be seen as legends in the future...?

by taipan Wed 14 Nov 2012, 13:30

MrPrez wrote:Players playing now that will be seen as legends in the future...?

Has Trev okayed them?

by MrPrez Wed 14 Nov 2012, 13:36

Who's trev?

by taipan Wed 14 Nov 2012, 13:41

MrPrez wrote:Who's trev?

Sorry, inside joke. Henry, formerly Trevor Mudge, has an unparalleled record of picking young players detined for stardom. Virtually every one of them has disappeared into oblivion as soon as he mentions them.

Hence a player gets "trevved"

by MrPrez Wed 14 Nov 2012, 13:42

Ah. Had heard the term a few times so was wondering.

At least one of Patto, Cummins and Starc will be trevved imo.

by Brass Monkey Wed 14 Nov 2012, 14:17

Aye, Trev's a real career killer. The worst thing is, the player who he Trevs only has to have got a domestic hundred / 5fer and Trev's on here screaming his heart out whilst heavily drunk on cock-blocking Chardonnay.

by PeterCS Wed 14 Nov 2012, 16:34

Are you talking about the cork?

Or the whole bottle?

by Brass Monkey Wed 14 Nov 2012, 18:00

Are you saying Trev made Dom Cork retire?

by taipan Wed 14 Nov 2012, 18:44

Brass Monkey wrote:Are you saying Trev made Dom Cork retire?

Cork. Legend.

by Brass Monkey Wed 14 Nov 2012, 18:53

Bit of a git though.

by baggygreen Thu 15 Nov 2012, 08:34

MrPrez wrote:Players playing now that will be seen as legends in the future...?

So you've lumped current greats in with potential but without making it clear? I certainly wouldn't lump Starc in the same group as Tendulkar or Steyn, ever.

by Henry Thu 15 Nov 2012, 21:21

Henry wrote:I'd go with-

Certain all time greats-

Tendulkar (Ind)
Muralitharan (Sl)
Kallis (RSA)
Dravid (Ind)
Ponting (Aus)

Almost great if not already-

Steyn (RSA)
Sangakkara (SL)
Sehwag (Ind)
Pietersen (Eng)
M.Jayawardene (SL)
Ntini (RSA)
G.Smith (RSA)
Chanderpaul (WI)

Could be great in 5-10 years-

Duminy (RSA) UNDECIDED....COULD STILL BE IF THAT ACHILLES GETS RIGHT
Johnson (AUS) A FIRM FAN FAVOURITE IN ENGLAND. A 'GREAT'.......
Broad (ENG) UNDECIDED. JUST NEEDS ANOTHER 8 YEARS TO GET HIS NIP BACK. BRAIN STILL DEVELOPING.
DeVilliers (RSA) WELL ON HIS WAY. NEEDS TO GIVE UP THE GLOVES THOUGH
Ishant (IND) STILL YOUNG. IPL'D.
Mendis (SL) NEEDS TO PLAY MORE TESTS AGAINST ENGLAND TO BECOME GREAT.
Hughes (Aus) NEEDS TO PLAY MORE TESTS AGAINST BANGLADESH
Taylor (WI) REMEMBER HIM? IS HE STILL ALIVE?

Is there anyone else who could be considered great who isn't on those lists? And who of the 'almost greats' and 'could be greats' are likely to be 'certain greats' by the end of their careers?

Not bad, I reckon.

by Henry Thu 15 Nov 2012, 21:25

UPDATED!

Could be great in 5 years-

James f*cking Pattinson (Aus)
Cheteshwar Pujara (Ind)
Virat Kohli (Ind)
Azeem Rafiq (Eng)
Machant de Lange (RSA)

by LeFromage Thu 15 Nov 2012, 21:52

Rafiq?

Holy smokes. It's been a bad week for mediocre Asian spinners.

by Brass Monkey Thu 15 Nov 2012, 21:56

Not bad Trev? Seems to me there's AB deV (who everybody was wanking about in 2004) and then a lot of 'hmmms', 'nahs' and 'hmmm nahs'. Booollleesssheeeettt-ta-ta-taaaah

by Brass Monkey Thu 15 Nov 2012, 21:57

Pujara, Trev? Why, it's almost like he scored an unbeaten 98 or some such...

by LeFromage Thu 15 Nov 2012, 21:59

Brass Monkey wrote:Pujara, Trev? Why, it's almost like he scored an unbeaten 98 or some such...

Shh - if it gets him out early tomorrow (and a career ending broken leg walking back to the dressing room), it's a Trevving worth doing.

It's about time he used his powers for good.

by Brass Monkey Thu 15 Nov 2012, 22:07

Dello wrote:
Brass Monkey wrote:Pujara, Trev? Why, it's almost like he scored an unbeaten 98 or some such...

Shh - if it gets him out early tomorrow (and a career ending broken leg walking back to the dressing room), it's a Trevving worth doing.

It's about time he used his powers for good.

Good point. I didn't see the ploy straight off. He could actually try the odd reverse-Trev, but he seems too adverse to doing so. Qunt.

by Henry Thu 15 Nov 2012, 22:13

Dello wrote:Rafiq?

Holy smokes. It's been a bad week for mediocre Asian spinners.

At least he gives it a rip. A good number 8 batsman, as well. The closest we have to Swanny clone.

by LeFromage Thu 15 Nov 2012, 22:15

Henry wrote:
Dello wrote:Rafiq?

Holy smokes. It's been a bad week for mediocre Asian spinners.

At least he gives it a rip. A good number 8 batsman, as well. The closest we have to Swanny clone.

He does have quite a large chin.

by Brass Monkey Thu 15 Nov 2012, 22:16

Henry wrote:
At least he gives it a rip. A good number 8 batsman, as well. The closest we have to Swanny clone.

Does he have the 'Yes! Lord In Heaven!' celebration though? He needs that. Maybe Swann could teach him.

by beamer Thu 15 Nov 2012, 22:17

England don't do "greats" anyway, who was our last one, Botham?

Our runs and wickets aggregate records are pitiful compared to the world records, despite how many Tests we play. Our players are either late developers, or burn out early, or both... if Tendulkar was English he would probably have waited until he was 26 for his debut then been discarded after a poor series at about 31.

by Henry Thu 15 Nov 2012, 22:19

beamer wrote:England don't do "greats" anyway, who was our last one, Botham?

Our runs and wickets aggregate records are pitiful compared to the world records, despite how many Tests we play. Our players are either late developers, or burn out early, or both... if Tendulkar was English he would probably have waited until he was 26 for his debut then been discarded after a poor series at about 31.

I think history will judge Cook and KP as greats. Maybe even Prior as well, although his keeping isn't always fantastic.

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