Re: Who are world cricket's current GREAT players?

by Ash Mon 30 Mar 2009, 23:56

definitely a subjective topic - the lines can be blurred.

dravid was the biggest contributer in all of indias major wins during the 2000s. between 2002 and 2006 (thats 5 yrs, the best way to judge a player imo is take his 5 yr peak) he was the prize wicket.

kallis and pollock are extremely underrated on this forum. their stats put them up there with sobers [ATG], imran [ATG] and miller [G]. pollock played on for too long. he could have retired in 2003 with 300 wkts @ a sub-21 average to go with his 35 batting avg.

for me only SRT, murali, ponting & kallis (as an all-rounder, not as a batsman) are ATG's.

dravid, sehwag, pietersen & possibly sangakkara are GREATS

the likes of ntini, jayawardene, chanderpaul, laxman, smith, mo yousuf, shoaib akhtar, brett lee are very good or maybe even great within the context of their country's cricketing history

thats 8 players and only 1 is a bowler. step up steyn, ishant, johnson et al!

by Aberforth Tue 31 Mar 2009, 00:58

Paul Keating wrote:Small grounds in the West Indies contribute to his runs

Poor attacks

Poor record in games that matter.

Gayle is not an ATG ODI player

You don't have a clue Gayle has scored 16 of his 19 hundreds away from home and averages over 44 away from home.

He had an excellent tournament during the last Champion's trophy where he scored 3 centuries including one in the semifinals against South africa which knoked them out of the competition.

Gayle is an all time great ODI player. He has more 150 + scores than any other batsman bar Lara and Tendulkar and has played 100 less games than both.

by The One Tue 31 Mar 2009, 04:48

Ash wrote:the likes of .... brett lee are very good or maybe even great within the context of their country's cricketing history

*snorfle*

by Henry Tue 31 Mar 2009, 04:53

the likes of .... brett lee are very good or maybe even great within the context of ~~their country's cricketing history~~the Channel Nine commentary box

Fixed.

by The One Tue 31 Mar 2009, 05:07

Aberforth wrote:Gayle is an all time great ODI player. He has more 150 + scores than any other batsman bar Lara and Tendulkar and has played 100 less games than both.

jaya has 4. gayle has 3, along with srt, lara and viv

by Henry Tue 31 Mar 2009, 05:16

I could be wrong but I think all of Lara's 150+ scores were against minnows.

by SG Tue 31 Mar 2009, 05:26

Henry wrote:I could be wrong but I think all of Lara's 150+ scores were against minnows.

Yep. You're wrong.

Twice against Pak and once against SL.

by *Buckaroo* Tue 31 Mar 2009, 05:27

Lara regularly made big scores against weak attacks on placid pitches.

by Henry Tue 31 Mar 2009, 05:29

Whereas SRT......

Rolling Eyes

by JGK Tue 31 Mar 2009, 06:11

SG wrote:
Henry wrote:I could be wrong but I think all of Lara's 150+ scores were against minnows.
Yep. You're wrong.

Twice against Pak and once against SL.

Didn't Lara once make a 160 odd against OZ in the West Indies?

Also, 150 is of course an arbitrary number and the list is skewed towards openers who have more time to get there.

by Guest Tue 31 Mar 2009, 06:12

The One wrote:
Aberforth wrote:Gayle is an all time great ODI player. He has more 150 + scores than any other batsman bar Lara and Tendulkar and has played 100 less games than both.

jaya has 4. gayle has 3, along with srt, lara and viv

I was a lot more scared of all those guys than of Crystal.

by SG Tue 31 Mar 2009, 06:18

JGK wrote:
SG wrote:
Henry wrote:I could be wrong but I think all of Lara's 150+ scores were against minnows.
Yep. You're wrong.

Twice against Pak and once against SL.

Didn't Lara once make a 160 odd against OZ in the West Indies?

Also, 150 is of course an arbitrary number and the list is skewed towards openers who have more time to get there.

Lara's 150+ scores in ODIs,

169 Vs SL in '95
156 Vs Pak in '05
153 Vs Pak in '93

by Aberforth Tue 31 Mar 2009, 07:11

Rob I wrote:
The One wrote:
Aberforth wrote:Gayle is an all time great ODI player. He has more 150 + scores than any other batsman bar Lara and Tendulkar and has played 100 less games than both.

jaya has 4. gayle has 3, along with srt, lara and viv

I was a lot more scared of all those guys than of Crystal.

Well Gayle is seen as a swiper by many even though his record suggests otherwise. Gayle has probably played 100+ less games than all of these players bar Richard but his record compares favourably with all bar the peerless Tendulkar

by JGK Tue 31 Mar 2009, 07:19

Gayle wouldn't even make an AT West Indies JAMODI XI would he?

by The One Tue 31 Mar 2009, 07:36

who would open ahead of him? i think he would displace one of greenidge or haynes

by JGK Tue 31 Mar 2009, 08:56

The One wrote:who would open ahead of him? i think he would displace one of greenidge or haynes

I'd take either of those two against Gayle.

by Paul Keating Tue 31 Mar 2009, 09:32

SG wrote:
JGK wrote:
SG wrote:
Henry wrote:I could be wrong but I think all of Lara's 150+ scores were against minnows.
Yep. You're wrong.

Twice against Pak and once against SL.

Didn't Lara once make a 160 odd against OZ in the West Indies?

Also, 150 is of course an arbitrary number and the list is skewed towards openers who have more time to get there.
Lara's 150+ scores in ODIs,

169 Vs SL in '95
156 Vs Pak in '05
153 Vs Pak in '93

I too thought Lara made a 150 vs Oz.

But it is his 139 in Port of Spain I am thinking of.

by Paul Keating Tue 31 Mar 2009, 09:38

JGK wrote:
The One wrote:who would open ahead of him? i think he would displace one of greenidge or haynes

I'd take either of those two against Gayle.

Lara would open (whose record is ATG in that position)

Hooper might be a makeshift opener too, because he has to be in there somewhere.

Then maybe Viv, Lloyd, Chaderpaul

by Aberforth Tue 31 Mar 2009, 10:02

Paul Keating wrote:
JGK wrote:
The One wrote:who would open ahead of him? i think he would displace one of greenidge or haynes

I'd take either of those two against Gayle.

Lara would open (whose record is ATG in that position)

Hooper might be a makeshift opener too, because he has to be in there somewhere.

Then maybe Viv, Lloyd, Chaderpaul

Hooper over Gayle?

What is the rationale behind that selection?

by doremi Tue 31 Mar 2009, 10:14

Ponts obviously doesn't like Gayle.

But I'm really not sure about him being an ATG.

by Merlin Tue 31 Mar 2009, 10:24

JGK wrote:
The One wrote:who would open ahead of him? i think he would displace one of greenidge or haynes

I'd take either of those two against Gayle.

Same here ... both of them ... every time ... and no matter who the opposition was or what condition the track was in.

by Aberforth Tue 31 Mar 2009, 10:37

doremi wrote:Ponts obviously doesn't like Gayle.

But I'm really not sure about him being an ATG.

Visual proof

by JGK Tue 31 Mar 2009, 11:44

My ATG West Indies JAMODI XI would be something like:

GG
Haynes
Viv
Lara
Lloyd
Hooper (5th bowler)
Dujon
Holding
Roberts
Ambrose
Garner

12: Logie

Strike rates of the openers compared to today's guys are irrelevant. They were murderous when needed. And of course Viv and Garner are the greatest of all in their positions. Have left out Marshall for his relatively poor JAMODI record (of course the team would hardly be weaker with him in it).

Also, have left out Sobers despite his 1 JAMODI.

by skully Tue 31 Mar 2009, 11:47

Malcolm Marshall for Roberts. Marshall was the best of all the Windies quicks in the 80s.

by Paul Keating Tue 31 Mar 2009, 11:47

I'd go with Harper as 12th man. Who is a better fielder.

Also Sarwan might come in for GG, and push Lara up to opener. Haynes is a must.

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