Australia v South Africa, 2nd Test, Adelaide, 22-26 November, 2012

So Starc in for Milf and the other ten remain the same?

Unless Watto is fit then Watto for Tonic.

Phurt, it's his calf again. Season gone.

Clarke seems adamant that Watto will only play if he's capable of bowling.

Too right.

Starc for Hilfenhaus is the only likely change for Aus.

For South Africa, they'll have to decide whether to do a direct sway of du Plessis for Duminy, or bring in Tsolekile and allow AB to concentrate solely on his batting. They'll almost certainly bring in Tahir for Kleinveldt.

They'll definitely play Tahir in Adelaide. AB will remain keeper and de Plessis or the new guy for Duminy.

If Warner fails twice on the Adelaide Autobahn, maybe Tonic will go up and Uzzy or Doolan (or Haddit??) to come into the middle order.

skully wrote:They'll definitely play Tahir in Adelaide. AB will remain keeper and de Plessis or the new guy for Duminy.

du Plessis deserves to get the nod before Elgar. AB will probably remain keeper for at least this series. Can't see the point of playing a 32 year old keeper who's a modest performer anyway. They're just waiting for de Kock to mature.

Ponting's under a bit of pressure as well. What with his uncertain duck and Uzi's classy ton the other day.

Red wrote:

skully wrote:They'll definitely play Tahir in Adelaide. AB will remain keeper and de Plessis or the new guy for Duminy.

du Plessis deserves to get the nod before Elgar. AB will probably remain keeper for at least this series. Can't see the point of playing a 32 year old keeper who's a modest performer anyway. They're just waiting for de Kock to mature.

de Kock isn't cheese, Red.

They'll play him when he's good enough. Tsolekile has had a couple of very good domestic seasons and had been the next in line keeper for a couple of years. If it really does become obvious that keeping is affecting AB's batting (and in seven innings as keeper, he averages 33, so it appears it does) then Tsolekile will get first dibs. Either in Adelaide and Perth or in South Africa's next home series against the Windies (?)

skully wrote:If Warner fails twice on the Adelaide Autobahn, maybe Tonic will go up and Uzzy or Doolan (or Haddit??) to come into the middle order.

They'll give Warner a chance to recreate his Perth dig from last year.

Henry wrote:

Red wrote:

skully wrote:They'll definitely play Tahir in Adelaide. AB will remain keeper and de Plessis or the new guy for Duminy.

du Plessis deserves to get the nod before Elgar. AB will probably remain keeper for at least this series. Can't see the point of playing a 32 year old keeper who's a modest performer anyway. They're just waiting for de Kock to mature.

de Kock isn't cheese, Red.

They'll play him when he's good enough. Tsolekile has had a couple of very good domestic seasons and had been the next in line keeper for a couple of years. If it really does become obvious that keeping is affecting AB's batting (and in seven innings as keeper, he averages 33, so it appears it does) then Tsolekile will get first dibs. Either in Adelaide and Perth or in South Africa's next home series against the Windies (?)

The worry is if they play Tsolikile to blance the quota

I also think South Africa need AB's spark in the field. Du Plessis was the only stand out in Brisbane and the rest looked flat.

taipan wrote:

Henry wrote:

Red wrote:

skully wrote:They'll definitely play Tahir in Adelaide. AB will remain keeper and de Plessis or the new guy for Duminy.

du Plessis deserves to get the nod before Elgar. AB will probably remain keeper for at least this series. Can't see the point of playing a 32 year old keeper who's a modest performer anyway. They're just waiting for de Kock to mature.

de Kock isn't cheese, Red.

They'll play him when he's good enough. Tsolekile has had a couple of very good domestic seasons and had been the next in line keeper for a couple of years. If it really does become obvious that keeping is affecting AB's batting (and in seven innings as keeper, he averages 33, so it appears it does) then Tsolekile will get first dibs. Either in Adelaide and Perth or in South Africa's next home series against the Windies (?)

The worry is if they play Tsolikile to blance the quota

Amla, Petersen, Philander and Tahir will be four non-white players even if Tahir is not a genuine 'quota' player according to their definitions.

But losing Duminy hurts their quota.

Henry wrote:I also think South Africa need AB's spark in the field. Du Plessis was the only stand out in Brisbane and the rest looked flat.

Yes not a good fielding team these days, especially without AB. Surely Rudolph must be under pressure from du Plessis and/or Elgar?

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:

Henry wrote:

Red wrote:

skully wrote:They'll definitely play Tahir in Adelaide. AB will remain keeper and de Plessis or the new guy for Duminy.

du Plessis deserves to get the nod before Elgar. AB will probably remain keeper for at least this series. Can't see the point of playing a 32 year old keeper who's a modest performer anyway. They're just waiting for de Kock to mature.

de Kock isn't cheese, Red.

They'll play him when he's good enough. Tsolekile has had a couple of very good domestic seasons and had been the next in line keeper for a couple of years. If it really does become obvious that keeping is affecting AB's batting (and in seven innings as keeper, he averages 33, so it appears it does) then Tsolekile will get first dibs. Either in Adelaide and Perth or in South Africa's next home series against the Windies (?)

The worry is if they play Tsolikile to blance the quota

Amla, Petersen, Philander and Tahir will be four non-white players even if Tahir is not a genuine 'quota' player according to their definitions.

But losing Duminy hurts their quota.

So why mention him if he is not part of the quota?

taipan wrote:

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:

Henry wrote:

Red wrote:

skully wrote:They'll definitely play Tahir in Adelaide. AB will remain keeper and de Plessis or the new guy for Duminy.

du Plessis deserves to get the nod before Elgar. AB will probably remain keeper for at least this series. Can't see the point of playing a 32 year old keeper who's a modest performer anyway. They're just waiting for de Kock to mature.

de Kock isn't cheese, Red.

They'll play him when he's good enough. Tsolekile has had a couple of very good domestic seasons and had been the next in line keeper for a couple of years. If it really does become obvious that keeping is affecting AB's batting (and in seven innings as keeper, he averages 33, so it appears it does) then Tsolekile will get first dibs. Either in Adelaide and Perth or in South Africa's next home series against the Windies (?)

The worry is if they play Tsolikile to blance the quota

Amla, Petersen, Philander and Tahir will be four non-white players even if Tahir is not a genuine 'quota' player according to their definitions.

But losing Duminy hurts their quota.

So why mention him if he is not part of the quota?

The fact that he's non-white might satisfy some.

It doesn't, do rather stay away from things you know nothing about.

How about we all quietly make this the official Test thread and leave Laverne and Shirley to do whatever TF is is they do on the original one?

Agreed, arrgh. Let this be the fish oil 2nd Test thread, devoid of trans Indian Oceanic barbs.

lardbucket wrote:Agreed, arrgh. Let this be the fish oil 2nd Test thread, devoid of trans Indian Oceanic barbs.

I am quite happy to discuss cricket. If you tell your compatriot to stops talking shit that will happen.

Fark, are the turds at it again???

skully wrote:Fark, are the turds at it again???

Well that is your speciality

Suppose I shoulld have called the thread World Peace instead...as in "a nice idea but doomed from the outset..."