England squad delayed after KP texts

taipan wrote:

Red wrote:

Dello wrote:How would anyone know what Pietersen texted to anyone? In any case, why would he not be allowed to share a private opinion in private with whoever he wanted?

Stuart Broad claims that phones are "confiscated" at 8am and handed back at 8pm on match days, so it's not even like he could've been texting during the game.

Sounds like bullshit to me.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/cricket/4481784/Kevin-Pietersen-texts-drive-England-chiefs-crazy.html

According to this it wasn't during play. He also allegedly muttered words in Afrikaans after being asked to move away from the South Africans and practise with the English.

FFS Red. The clown comes from Natal. He can't speak Afrikaans.

His father is an Afrikaner and he documents in his book that every Wednesday the family would only speak Afrikaans so maybe you're off the mark here.

Lara Lara Laughs wrote:

Red wrote:

Dello wrote:

Henry wrote:So they were going to drop KP for Lord's with the leaked text messages being the final straw, KP got wind of this, and hastily did a U-turn by releasing his youtube video, and then the selectors did a U-Turn of their own by adding Pietersen to the squad again?

What a soap opera.

Or he's playing the ECB at their own game. They keep leaking details of their private correspondence with him to the media in an attempt to use public opinion as a weapon against him, so he's upped the ante and very publicly declared he's England through and through (ahem), willing and able to play any time, any place, daring the ECB to drop him now - how can they justify NOT picking their best player when he has spelled out his commitment to the cause?

Ball's back in the ECB's court.

There was never much danger of KP being left out. Surely it was all about keeping his name up in lights while the Olympics were on.

Remember that time you didn't know jack shit about anything?

KP's got to live with the consequences of his actions. He played a massive bluff and was called on it. To be honest, I thought he'd matured and realised it wasn't all about him in the past few years. I was wrong. But what can you expect when a guy's bezzies with Piers Morgan.

Oh well. No player's bigger than the team, however good. Ask Fergie.

In fairness how many here really expected him to be dropped?

It seems KP didn't learn from the captaincy episode where he tried to call their bluff and it didn't work. It seems he was told not to publicise the youtube clip and also given time to publicly apologise to teammates but refused to do so.

And maybe I was mocking the Natalians who regard themselves as the last outpost of the British Empire.

taipan wrote:And maybe I was mocking the Natalians who regard themselves as the last outpost of the British Empire.

Of course but then again you never admit to anything. Presumably because he lived in Natal you assumed he didn't have Afrikaan roots despite the Afrikaner surname.,

KP allegedly sending texts to the SA players encouraging them to dismiss Strauss was surely a bridge too far.

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:And maybe I was mocking the Natalians who regard themselves as the last outpost of the British Empire.

Of course but then again you never admit to anything. Presumably because he lived in Natal you assumed he didn't have Afrikaan roots despite the Afrikaner surname.,

KP allegedly sending texts to the SA players encouraging them to dismiss Strauss was surely a bridge too far.

Red, I know about how much Afrikaans is spoken in Natal. In fact I am typing this post on the Natal South coast.

Red wrote:

Lara Lara Laughs wrote:

Red wrote:

Dello wrote:

Henry wrote:So they were going to drop KP for Lord's with the leaked text messages being the final straw, KP got wind of this, and hastily did a U-turn by releasing his youtube video, and then the selectors did a U-Turn of their own by adding Pietersen to the squad again?

What a soap opera.

Or he's playing the ECB at their own game. They keep leaking details of their private correspondence with him to the media in an attempt to use public opinion as a weapon against him, so he's upped the ante and very publicly declared he's England through and through (ahem), willing and able to play any time, any place, daring the ECB to drop him now - how can they justify NOT picking their best player when he has spelled out his commitment to the cause?

Ball's back in the ECB's court.

There was never much danger of KP being left out. Surely it was all about keeping his name up in lights while the Olympics were on.

Remember that time you didn't know jack shit about anything?

KP's got to live with the consequences of his actions. He played a massive bluff and was called on it. To be honest, I thought he'd matured and realised it wasn't all about him in the past few years. I was wrong. But what can you expect when a guy's bezzies with Piers Morgan.

Oh well. No player's bigger than the team, however good. Ask Fergie.

In fairness how many here really expected him to be dropped?

It seems KP didn't learn from the captaincy episode where he tried to call their bluff and it didn't work. It seems he was told not to publicise the youtube clip and also given time to publicly apologise to teammates but refused to do so.

Um, no. The extra time was for him to publicly confirm that no derogatory texts had been sent.

taipan wrote:

Red wrote:

Lara Lara Laughs wrote:

Red wrote:

Dello wrote:

Henry wrote:So they were going to drop KP for Lord's with the leaked text messages being the final straw, KP got wind of this, and hastily did a U-turn by releasing his youtube video, and then the selectors did a U-Turn of their own by adding Pietersen to the squad again?

What a soap opera.

Or he's playing the ECB at their own game. They keep leaking details of their private correspondence with him to the media in an attempt to use public opinion as a weapon against him, so he's upped the ante and very publicly declared he's England through and through (ahem), willing and able to play any time, any place, daring the ECB to drop him now - how can they justify NOT picking their best player when he has spelled out his commitment to the cause?

Ball's back in the ECB's court.

There was never much danger of KP being left out. Surely it was all about keeping his name up in lights while the Olympics were on.

Remember that time you didn't know jack shit about anything?

KP's got to live with the consequences of his actions. He played a massive bluff and was called on it. To be honest, I thought he'd matured and realised it wasn't all about him in the past few years. I was wrong. But what can you expect when a guy's bezzies with Piers Morgan.

Oh well. No player's bigger than the team, however good. Ask Fergie.

In fairness how many here really expected him to be dropped?

It seems KP didn't learn from the captaincy episode where he tried to call their bluff and it didn't work. It seems he was told not to publicise the youtube clip and also given time to publicly apologise to teammates but refused to do so.

Um, no. The extra time was for him to publicly confirm that no derogatory texts had been sent.

According to this, giving him time to apologise.

Even then England wanted to give Pietersen one last chance to jump back from the edge of the abyss and, unprecedentedly, delayed the announcement of their final Test squad by five hours to give him more time to apologise, something lacking in his YouTube performance, or clarify exactly what was said in the texts. The silence told england all they needed to know.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2187457/Kevin-Pietersen-deny-sending-texts-Andrew-Strauss-England-days-look-over.html#ixzz23PwIb3N3

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2187457/Kevin-Pietersen-deny-sending-texts-Andrew-Strauss-England-days-look-over.html

From Hugh Morris statement

“During the past week we have held several discussions with Kevin Pietersen and his advisers,” said Morris, the managing director of England cricket.
“Following a constructive meeting it was agreed that a number of actions needed to be completed to re-engage Kevin within the England dressing room.
“A fundamental item was to confirm publicly that no derogatory texts had been sent by Kevin to the South African team. This has not been forthcoming despite clear timelines being set to allow the selectors to pick the squad for the third Investec Test match.
“We provide an additional six hours on Sunday morning to provide every opportunity for agreement to be reached but regrettably this has not been possible.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/kevinpietersen/9471390/Kevin-Pietersen-faces-end-of-England-career-over-text-messaging-furore.html

Dello wrote:ECB in cutting off nose to spite face shocker.

This is it.

Dello wrote:
Maybe, maybe not. In the Telegraph today it says the ECB asked the South Africans for the alleged texts in question and they flat refused as they were private correspondence and none of the ECB's business.

I can't stress how pathetic it is that the ECB are going around like a bunch of low rent Big Brother chavs, desperate to find out who's been bitching about them behind their backs.

My goodness. The Saffs must be pissing themselves.

Aye, definitely. It's a bit of a joke IMO. Imagine if you'd called your boss a qunt to a colleague over text and someone else said you'd done it - what would happen? Not plenty, I feel.

Saying the above - I'm not on KP's side, but that doesn't mean I have to be on the ECB's side - they're a bunch of f*cking pricks.

Growler wrote:he's likely to find that he won't be missed anythin like the extent that he probably imagines.

Yeah. They won't miss his conversation. But when they're in the foetal position on the wicket, sucking their thumbs, crying so much that snot is reaming out of their noses and there's a distinct smell of faeces resonating from their trews they may miss him. A little.

Henry wrote:Apparently his relationship with some team mates was getting to the stage where they would have literally refused to come out to the balcony to applaud him making a 50 or 100 had he done so at Lord's.

Team spirit is overrated sometimes, but to me that sounds like a situation that's gone too far and can affect the performance of a team. England are right to drop him now. Hopefully everything gets sorted in time for the tour of India in the Winter.

It should also be noted that he thanked the Delhi Daredevils for their support in his Youtube video, but didn't apologise once to either his team mates, or the ECB.

Man, you're a real queen sometimes. By queen I mean you could probably even make Eastenders look grounded.

I totally love this bit: "but to me that sounds like a situation that's gone too far and can affect the performance of a team" - WTF is this? Cook: "KP called me a poopoo head, I got distwacted and couldn't scowe wuns." Nothing to do with him being a technically deficient clod-hopper. Bell: "KP said he earns more money than me, I would've got wuns, but I just had 0s going awound in my head". Nothing to do with him being a tiny testes lightweight.

Seek solace, Trev, if you'd like to. Ohh, it's all KP's fault we're shit. Does that help you take it better? Let's hope so.

This series was a long time coming.

All rather petty he said she said carp!!

KP is a donut, but a genius who we need in our middle order, if the others in the team don't like him, deal with it, I'm sure they will prefer winning with him in the team, than losing with Bairstow and Taylor or heaven forbid Ravi in the middle order!!

As for the ECB, airing dirty washing like a spurned fatty who found out her feck buddy was potentially texting some other bint is hardly taking the high ground is it.

Drop him for a test, lose number 1 ranking, notice that our backups are not very good, and watch him make millions scroing bucketloads for Delhi will be the response!

welcome back stranger, have you finished your sentence for sins against Ian Bell?

Nope, I think it turns out, he got a bit hot and his teste swelled a bit, but as its cold again, it's shrunk back to normal size recently. See how his stones are now KP's not there.

Sabattical was from cricket itself. Turns out Golf is not much better!!

holcs wrote:All rather petty he said she said carp!!

KP is a donut, but a genius who we need in our middle order, if the others in the team don't like him, deal with it, I'm sure they will prefer winning with him in the team, than losing with Bairstow and Taylor or heaven forbid Ravi in the middle order!!

As for the ECB, airing dirty washing like a spurned fatty who found out her feck buddy was potentially texting some other bint is hardly taking the high ground is it.

Drop him for a test, lose number 1 ranking, notice that our backups are not very good, and watch him make millions scroing bucketloads for Delhi will be the response!

Are people using the word genius too loosely or lightly here? Certainly he plays some great innings but is he consistent? Does this make the likes of Gayle a genius too? Sehwag etc.? Shouldn't genius also or more accurately cover players who perform consistently and when the chips are down?

People seem to be carrying on as if England is losing Bradman from their team.

Brass Monkey wrote:

Henry wrote:Apparently his relationship with some team mates was getting to the stage where they would have literally refused to come out to the balcony to applaud him making a 50 or 100 had he done so at Lord's.

Team spirit is overrated sometimes, but to me that sounds like a situation that's gone too far and can affect the performance of a team. England are right to drop him now. Hopefully everything gets sorted in time for the tour of India in the Winter.

It should also be noted that he thanked the Delhi Daredevils for their support in his Youtube video, but didn't apologise once to either his team mates, or the ECB.

Man, you're a real queen sometimes. By queen I mean you could probably even make Eastenders look grounded.

I totally love this bit: "but to me that sounds like a situation that's gone too far and can affect the performance of a team" - WTF is this? Cook: "KP called me a poopoo head, I got distwacted and couldn't scowe wuns." Nothing to do with him being a technically deficient clod-hopper. Bell: "KP said he earns more money than me, I would've got wuns, but I just had 0s going awound in my head". Nothing to do with him being a tiny testes lightweight.

Seek solace, Trev, if you'd like to. Ohh, it's all KP's fault we're shit. Does that help you take it better? Let's hope so.

This series was a long time coming.

Yep, let's let him do whatever he wants. Piss in Andy Flower's porridge? Rape Ian Bell in the showers? Kidnap Andrew Strauss's kid? No problem, because no matter what he does, he's England's best batsman and should be picked, and the whole concept of team spirit is way over-rated. Never mind that Cook, Trott, Bell, and Prior average the same as him or better over the last year.... KP does it all with a flourish so he deserves the kind of treatment they would NEVER receive for being less flamboyant batsmen who are actually more consistent than him.

Actually, KP is right- It's ALL about him. He should be allowed to do whatever he wants and still pick up his sizeable pay cheque because he's K f*cking P dammit!

Why do they even bother selecting the rest of the team? If only they could select 11 KPs.....

Hmm, wasn't the World meant to collapse once Andrew Flintoff retired? And now it will because KP has been dropped. Somehow, I reckon English cricket will survive.....

Henry wrote:
Yep, let's let him do whatever he wants. Piss in Andy Flower's porridge? Rape Ian Bell in the showers? Kidnap Andrew Strauss's kid? No problem, because no matter what he does, he's England's best batsman and should be picked, and the whole concept of team spirit is way over-rated. Never mind that Cook, Trott, Bell, and Prior average the same as him or better over the last year.... KP does it all with a flourish so he deserves the kind of treatment they would NEVER receive for being less flamboyant batsmen who are actually more consistent than him.

Actually, KP is right- It's ALL about him. He should be allowed to do whatever he wants and still pick up his sizeable pay cheque because he's K f*cking P dammit!

Why do they even bother selecting the rest of the team? If only they could select 11 KPs.....

Hmm, wasn't the World meant to collapse once Andrew Flintoff retired? And now it will because KP has been dropped. Somehow, I reckon English cricket will survive.....

Wow, you followed it up with more hysterical shite. Even moreso than last time.

Where have I mentioned he can do WTF he likes? What has he done, then? Had a whinge in the paper. Alot. Then apologised, looking a real dick. In essence, he put forth an argument which he unequivocally revoked. So, what really are you saying? What is in between the fluff?

So, you must mean it boils down to the texts. I agree, they can be construed as pernicious. That's about all. I mean, what is it actually going to do? Spur SA on more? Please. F*cking spare me. Make England's morale lower? Please. Have a word with yourself. SA are confident because so far they've done a good job shitting on us. We're all over the shop for one reason - they're better than us and we're running scared.

You've gone into almost as much histrionics as KP, wouldn't you say?

I'll paint the picture for you - Steyn's at the end of his run-up. He's bowling to Andrew Strauss. He's all despairing. The mighty Strauss in front of him. Suddenly he gets buoyed by some shitty text some cockwad sent? Are you kidding me? He'd be licking his lips at the prospect of bowling to some technically inept shit-muncher who has barely got a run against good opposition for years.

I'll paint the picture for you - Strauss is at the crease. He's facing Dale Steyn. He's all cocksure. The wimpy Steyn is in front of him. Suddenly he gets all defeatist because of some shitty text some cockwad sent? Are you kidding me? He'd be shitting his knicks at the prospect of batting against a man well on his way into the legend books, whilst his deficiencies mean he won't be able to last that long at the wicket.

Honestly, it's like you live in a computer game.

If any of them are huwt or distracted by the KP affair, what the f*ck are they doing in the team? They simply aren't professionals and shouldn't be near the side.

He blatantly spat in the face of England by sending those texts, and he is now stuttering over an answer when the ECB asks him if they were derogatory to his coach and team mates. There is zero trust between KP and the rest of the England squad. What else could they do but drop him?

Flower and Strauss have spent enough mental energy trying to deal with one player.

Red wrote:

holcs wrote:All rather petty he said she said carp!!

KP is a donut, but a genius who we need in our middle order, if the others in the team don't like him, deal with it, I'm sure they will prefer winning with him in the team, than losing with Bairstow and Taylor or heaven forbid Ravi in the middle order!!

As for the ECB, airing dirty washing like a spurned fatty who found out her feck buddy was potentially texting some other bint is hardly taking the high ground is it.

Drop him for a test, lose number 1 ranking, notice that our backups are not very good, and watch him make millions scroing bucketloads for Delhi will be the response!

Are people using the word genius too loosely or lightly here? Certainly he plays some great innings but is he consistent? Does this make the likes of Gayle a genius too? Sehwag etc.? Shouldn't genius also or more accurately cover players who perform consistently and when the chips are down?

People seem to be carrying on as if England is losing Bradman from their team.

Consistent - kind of
When the chips are down - certainly
Losing Bradman - don't be daft, Bradman is a legend above genius status and in a class of hjis own

But I would put all of those you have mentioned in KP's genius class. Anyone who can dismantle the worlds best bowling attack in his manner is a genius, and a class apart from anyone else in the England Team batting wise.

Is he a complete plonker with an ego the size of Africa, yup. Should that matter an ounce, not really. All the England players have ego's, in fact ALL professional sportsmen have ego's. KP's ego is no different to Usain Bolts, he's a showman, and want to be THE man in the spotlight.

Did he said a nasty texty wexty about the captain and the skipper, I couldn't care less, and what it shows, is that the England management believe their own hype to much as well! It's been a shambles from the start. He's a been a nob, they been nobs, a PR person's worst nightmare; and in the end KP made himself look like a tool with his apology.

Just shows what happens when success goes to people, and they believe their own hype.

Welcome back Chas.

Oh and Chas meet Red, Red meet Chas.

"Swift resolution unlikely between Pietersen and ECB" Linky

If the story is true, looks like the ECB are playing hardball.

Henry wrote:He blatantly spat in the face of England by sending those texts, and he is now stuttering over an answer when the ECB asks him if they were derogatory to his coach and team mates. There is zero trust between KP and the rest of the England squad. What else could they do but drop him?

Flower and Strauss have spent enough mental energy trying to deal with one player.

From the story I quoted above,

South Africa, meanwhile, have continued to distance themselves from the ongoing situation and have repeated their statement that the ECB have not made any approach to them to reveal the content of the messages and that the comments were "banter".

Red wrote:Anderson endorses team spirit as being above the one man show.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2187180/James-Anderson-We-didnt-need-stand-The-selectors-whats-best-team.html

I could only imagine the furore that would surround English cricket had KP said something similar to that pile of crap. Burnley's Billy Big Bollocks should keep his ghost written dog sh!t to himself.

It's ok to criticise a team mate in a national newspaper, but not via text. Ok!

Henry wrote:He blatantly spat in the face of England by sending those texts, and he is now stuttering over an answer when the ECB asks him if they were derogatory to his coach and team mates. There is zero trust between KP and the rest of the England squad. What else could they do but drop him?

Flower and Strauss have spent enough mental energy trying to deal with one player.

No, he thpat in the fathe of England when he tried to pick his own schedule. The olive branch, or more like the millstone of humility had been handed out by KP. He totally went against all he's been crying about in a video the ECB didn't want him to do:

The ECB, meanwhile, will want to find out why Pietersen went ahead with his YouTube video despite being advised otherwise and is unlikely to be impressed with his specific reference to having spoken to Delhi Daredevils, his IPL franchise, ahead of his announcement while seemingly not keeping his major employers in the loop and his presumption that he would play in "Straussy's 100th Test".

But then they want to make him the arch-villain, don't they? Which he sort of is, but they're hardly the virginal types. We've all gone on about KP souping himself up - what about the ECB? They couldn't be more FIGJAM. They always have been. We've all known this, but it has been on the backburner because we've been in a position in which we can ignore them.

It has been outlined how little business KP's texts has to do with them. To retry the analogy, how would you feel if your company were trying to grab your private texts? And they are private. This Big Brotherish 'we can control what you say' thing smacks of as big an egotism as the man in question.

This post didn't really need to be written, as it had nothing to do with my previous post. Which was about team spirit and unity being entirely overrated... it's a fallacy. Yes, it must be better to play in less of a fractious dressing room, but if your players simply cannot hack it against the best it cannot be blamed on thomeone being upthet. It must be blamed on a lack of technical ability and/or mental fortitude.